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Unless you have evidence for that intent specifically, yes. This sure seems like a fun spot for an Iraq WMD joke.

by sascha_sl 5y ago

sumedh 5y ago
How exactly are you going to collect the evidence if the host nation does not allow you to do any investigation?
- sascha_sl 5y ago
  This is a terrible line of thinking, SARS-CoV-2 has some interesting properties, but none that would indicate deliberate weaponization. Useful bioweapons also usually are a little bit more surgical, China got hit pretty bad at the start of the pandemic.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    You need to look at all the possibilities, you cannot just put your head in the sand. Perhaps the virus was not a deliberate weaponization but some research for a weapon when things went wrong and it got out of the lab.
    - sascha_sl 5y ago
      Looking at all the possibilities is just a stand-in for baseless speculation here. Even the worst judical systems still require at least a pretense of probable cause.
      - sumedh 5y ago
        > baseless speculation here. How can you say its baseless when there is no evidence of Covid jumping from animals to humans? China could have given access to outside investigators but they chose not to, that is your probable cause.
        sascha_sl 5y ago
        "I could've let the cops in when they knocked without a warrant, but because I didn't they had probable cause to enter."
        sumedh 5y ago
        So if a deranged person is killing innocent people with guns you think the Police should not do anything?
        sascha_sl 5y ago
        I'm saying that you can not base probable cause on such flimsy evidence. Especially if it is self-fullfilling. And also, yes, swatting is a really big issue. Maybe the police should not show up in military gear and itchy trigger fingers to every unsubstantiated anonymously called in. Not saying that they shouldn't do nothing.
        sumedh 5y ago
        What you are saying is that the world should not do anything, let China keep on making viruses and keep on killing millions of people globally. > I'm saying that you can not base probable cause on such flimsy evidence. Which is why China should be open and transparent to outside investigators because clearly they could not handle the situation.
  - dqpb 5y ago
    - China's economy grows 18.3% in post-Covid comeback [0] - New cases January 1st, all of China: 191 [1] With luck like this, they’ll never need to go to war. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56768663 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56768663 [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+rates+in+China https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+rates+in+China

Unless you have evidence for that intent specifically, yes. This sure seems like a fun spot for an Iraq WMD joke.

sumedh 5y ago

How exactly are you going to collect the evidence if the host nation does not allow you to do any investigation?

sascha_sl 5y ago
This is a terrible line of thinking, SARS-CoV-2 has some interesting properties, but none that would indicate deliberate weaponization. Useful bioweapons also usually are a little bit more surgical, China got hit pretty bad at the start of the pandemic.
- sumedh 5y ago
  You need to look at all the possibilities, you cannot just put your head in the sand. Perhaps the virus was not a deliberate weaponization but some research for a weapon when things went wrong and it got out of the lab.
  - sascha_sl 5y ago
    Looking at all the possibilities is just a stand-in for baseless speculation here. Even the worst judical systems still require at least a pretense of probable cause.
    - sumedh 5y ago
      > baseless speculation here. How can you say its baseless when there is no evidence of Covid jumping from animals to humans? China could have given access to outside investigators but they chose not to, that is your probable cause.
      - sascha_sl 5y ago
        "I could've let the cops in when they knocked without a warrant, but because I didn't they had probable cause to enter."
        sumedh 5y ago
        So if a deranged person is killing innocent people with guns you think the Police should not do anything?
        sascha_sl 5y ago
        I'm saying that you can not base probable cause on such flimsy evidence. Especially if it is self-fullfilling. And also, yes, swatting is a really big issue. Maybe the police should not show up in military gear and itchy trigger fingers to every unsubstantiated anonymously called in. Not saying that they shouldn't do nothing.
        sumedh 5y ago
        What you are saying is that the world should not do anything, let China keep on making viruses and keep on killing millions of people globally. > I'm saying that you can not base probable cause on such flimsy evidence. Which is why China should be open and transparent to outside investigators because clearly they could not handle the situation.
- dqpb 5y ago
  - China's economy grows 18.3% in post-Covid comeback [0] - New cases January 1st, all of China: 191 [1] With luck like this, they’ll never need to go to war. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56768663 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56768663 [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+rates+in+China https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+rates+in+China