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Don't like something? Take your money elsewhere, and make sure to tell why on social media, even if you don't have large following. Besides making bad practices

Don't like something? Take your money elsewhere, and make sure to tell why on social media, even if you don't have large following. Besides making bad practices unnoticeably less profitable this normalises caring about this. In the future we will see more business will see practices that you like as advantageous.

feupan 5y ago
Sometimes there’s no elsewhere. Sometimes elsewhere only has crickets. It feels like you can’t both have a successful product and one that is free of noise. Only some open source software succeeds at this and even then quality often suffers immensely.
- 5560675260 5y ago
  There is obviously no magical quick denoising solution. But we still can demand less noise and patronise providers that at least pretend to listen.
TaylorAlexander 5y ago
Voting with your dollars does cede a lot of power to the wealthy, since they have most of the money and represent a small portion of the population.
- 5560675260 5y ago
  I think you have it backwards. Wealthy already have all the power they need. Everyone else has zero power, unless they organise, pool their resources or at least choose to move in same direction independently.
  - TaylorAlexander 5y ago
    It’s a matter of phrasing. We all have power available to us if only we organize. If we choose not to organize we are letting the wealthy have the power. But anyway I agree with you that we need to organize. Voting with our dollars as atomic individuals works in limited ways but won’t change things on a large scale.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
> Don't like something? Take your money elsewhere, If you have a phone with open-source firmware for the modem, I will buy it immediately. Who is taking my money?
- 5560675260 5y ago
  Is modem firmware really the piece of software in you're more concerned about or at all? But still, if you want to see something changed on this front - give money to Purism or Pine64. Make sure to tell them that you'll continue your support if they continue moving in same direction.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Withing 15 years, there will be microchips in your seat, table, and the packaging of your bread. And your iToaster will not toast unauthorised bread. I am concerned about firmware because it is being used to take ownership of our devices away from us. Oh, you could fix your device by replacing the chip, but we own the firmware and it's a crime to copy it. Also we can uodate the device at any time and add or remove fubctionality without you even knowing.
micromacrofoot 5y ago
try buying a ticket to a concert by avoiding ticketmaster and you’ll find yourself not going to concerts… I can’t subscribe to any local newspaper without a digital opt-in and a phone opt-out… …a bunch of these services are much harder to avoid than you think
- 5560675260 5y ago
  I agree that most of the time with entrenched players it looks like there are no outs. But let's try to look at your example of ticketmaster. Your options depend on how much you are invested in concert-going as entertainment. If not much - stopping altogether might be preferable to further feeding the beast. If a lot - you can explore your local musical scene of amateur bands. The ones that play in bars and other venues that probably don't even sell tickets, or at least do it without relying on ticketmaster. Sure, you'll lose access to stadium-kind of experience, but there will be no change without at least some sacrifices.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    I've never been to a stadium gig. I've been to concert-hall shows, with letter/number seating, and no grooving in the aisles; the ticketing experience was horrible. The shows were good, in a way; but I've always much preferred pub gigs and student-union gigs, where you just pay cash at the door.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    I live in a major city and even the small and mid-sized venues use ticketmaster… I go to very small shows (basement shows, very small bars) which does sometimes avoid it, but if the band you like is even remotely successful you’re back in ticketmaster’s realm

feupan 5y ago

Sometimes there’s no elsewhere. Sometimes elsewhere only has crickets. It feels like you can’t both have a successful product and one that is free of noise. Only some open source software succeeds at this and even then quality often suffers immensely.

5560675260 5y ago
There is obviously no magical quick denoising solution. But we still can demand less noise and patronise providers that at least pretend to listen.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago

Voting with your dollars does cede a lot of power to the wealthy, since they have most of the money and represent a small portion of the population.

5560675260 5y ago
I think you have it backwards. Wealthy already have all the power they need. Everyone else has zero power, unless they organise, pool their resources or at least choose to move in same direction independently.
- TaylorAlexander 5y ago
  It’s a matter of phrasing. We all have power available to us if only we organize. If we choose not to organize we are letting the wealthy have the power. But anyway I agree with you that we need to organize. Voting with our dollars as atomic individuals works in limited ways but won’t change things on a large scale.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

> Don't like something? Take your money elsewhere, If you have a phone with open-source firmware for the modem, I will buy it immediately. Who is taking my money?

5560675260 5y ago
Is modem firmware really the piece of software in you're more concerned about or at all? But still, if you want to see something changed on this front - give money to Purism or Pine64. Make sure to tell them that you'll continue your support if they continue moving in same direction.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Withing 15 years, there will be microchips in your seat, table, and the packaging of your bread. And your iToaster will not toast unauthorised bread. I am concerned about firmware because it is being used to take ownership of our devices away from us. Oh, you could fix your device by replacing the chip, but we own the firmware and it's a crime to copy it. Also we can uodate the device at any time and add or remove fubctionality without you even knowing.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

try buying a ticket to a concert by avoiding ticketmaster and you’ll find yourself not going to concerts… I can’t subscribe to any local newspaper without a digital opt-in and a phone opt-out… …a bunch of these services are much harder to avoid than you think

5560675260 5y ago
I agree that most of the time with entrenched players it looks like there are no outs. But let's try to look at your example of ticketmaster. Your options depend on how much you are invested in concert-going as entertainment. If not much - stopping altogether might be preferable to further feeding the beast. If a lot - you can explore your local musical scene of amateur bands. The ones that play in bars and other venues that probably don't even sell tickets, or at least do it without relying on ticketmaster. Sure, you'll lose access to stadium-kind of experience, but there will be no change without at least some sacrifices.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  I've never been to a stadium gig. I've been to concert-hall shows, with letter/number seating, and no grooving in the aisles; the ticketing experience was horrible. The shows were good, in a way; but I've always much preferred pub gigs and student-union gigs, where you just pay cash at the door.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  I live in a major city and even the small and mid-sized venues use ticketmaster… I go to very small shows (basement shows, very small bars) which does sometimes avoid it, but if the band you like is even remotely successful you’re back in ticketmaster’s realm