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Not going to happen? It can easily happen at every bus stop. Will it be perfect? Of course not perfect. But better than nothing. Reduce the entropy a little, a

Not going to happen? It can easily happen at every bus stop. Will it be perfect? Of course not perfect. But better than nothing. Reduce the entropy a little, and then it'll be easier to handle. Handle them specially? I handled 122 masks in the car parks of Botany Town Centre, east Auckland, with bare hands yesterday, gathering them into a rubbish bag. Today I saw 180 COVID concentrator masks, and was able to pick up 136 of them (for the other 44 masks, I was on a bus or in a car and couldn't stop to get down) Putting masks into regular bins (e.g. landfill) will delay the feedback loop by 100 years. That's good enough for now, so that's my recommendation for those who don't have access to mask recycling. However, I do have access to mask recycling. My usual work is automated software testing and language translations for embedded systems, specifically the Fisher & Paykel Healthcare Airvo device. I've come to believe that we need to run an anti-virus algorithm on the world, and it's more efficient with a real-time distributed model, where we all love our neighbour by cleaning up what we see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus_software#Real-time_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus_software#Real-time_p... Also, I'm triple-vaccinated (2x Pfizer + booster), am a young man with no family and a psychological martyrdom complex. I'll take the risk. And wash my hands thoroughly for 20 seconds afterwards. And shower when I get home. Be a tidy Kiwi. Clean as you go. Always leave the code (and world) better than you found it. (Robert C. Martin (Uncle Bob)) https://github.com/dwmkerr/hacker-laws#the-scout-rule https://github.com/dwmkerr/hacker-laws#the-scout-rule

Fnoord 5y ago
Thank you for your service. I don't want to do it though. Cause I don't want to touch a used mask with bare hands (I got gloves with me, but these are against cold weather specifically). However, with a grapple device and bag (the bag being the easy part) it could be reasonably easy and clean to take care of them. I got one, but I'm not carrying it around to e.g. work or family (that's when I usually see a mask). When I go with my child to the playground, and I'd see one, I could go home to get the grapple. However, I don't remember that occurring. There's quite some firework plastic still lingering around, so I could clean that up before I go with my child to the playground (mainly, to clean the playground). Btw, I want to comment on the amount you found. 122, 180. That's a lot. How much time did it take you? Cause I only see a mask occasionally (but it annoys me).
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  Thank you for your honesty! "I don't want to do it" is at least admitting personal responsibility. Your responsibility to protect your (presumably unvaccinated) child is also a rational decision. Young people are particularly good at seeing things on the ground and picking them up, but are also unlikely to wash hands before touching their faces. Therefore I'm specifically calling for young men who don't love their own lives (depressed computer nerds like me) to serve the greater good. I haven't yet logged detailed times (only started counting yesterday, before that was just picking these up as regular litter on my commute). But here's a few from today's log. 32 total between Gossamer Dr and Pakuranga bus stop ~11:45 - 12:40, of which 9 on road (usually a 15 minute bike ride, was more like 25 minutes that time due to stopping regularly, then a walk through the car park) 16 masks Shore Care/Smales Farm has infectious substances bin from 18:45 to 19:30 4 masks Pakuranga plaza (1 countdown, 3 warehouse) 20:40-21:05
  - peterburkimsher 5y ago
    Thank you for your interest, I've now stayed up until 5:20 am making more detailed logs in a spreadsheet. Heading rows: Mask count, Centre GPS coordinates, Radius (km), Start date and time, End date and time, Comments https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ap2lpLXWzK1WcdsasP8cEGn7Bhqig3OlPH9njqh4KYs/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ap2lpLXWzK1WcdsasP8c... Apologies if there's less data tomorrow, I'm not sure what time I'll wake up. But I really wish I could get to Sylvia Park and some other malls and gather some more data points. Please can an expert in data visualisation draw a heatmap?
xyzzy123 5y ago
COVID on masks is gonna break down with a half life on the order of hours.
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  Really, will a non-living entity (virus) break down? I agree that in direct sunlight, some types of pathogens can be broken down. However, the 2 hypotheses are that there is a risk. Also, I guess that flies are attracted to licking moisture before it evaporates. Therefore the flies are likely to be looking to lick masks if they think they can get an easy drink. Hypothesis 1: UV-C light at 300 nm (resonant size of particle) can make the COVID dance itself to pieces. > Issue: UV-C light causes sunburn and is blocked by the ozone layer. >> Solution: in Shanghai, the public bus service uses UV-C light to disinfect each bus at the end of the day. https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3075171/shanghai-introduces-ultraviolet-light-disinfect-public-buses https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3075171/shanghai-introduces... Hypothesis 2: UV-A or UV-B light at different wavelengths can cause mutations. > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mutation_(genetic_algorithm)&oldid=481243903 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mutation_(genetic... > {Bit string mutation, Flip Bit, Boundary, Non-Uniform, Uniform, Gaussian} >> Translated to computer programming: off-by-one errors. >> https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html
  - xyzzy123 5y ago
    > Really, will a non-living entity (virus) break down? Yes, this is fairly well studied, see: https://www.csiro.au/en/research/health-medical/diseases/covid-19-research/how-long-the-virus-can-survive https://www.csiro.au/en/research/health-medical/diseases/cov... and https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/sars-calculator https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/sars-calculator > Also, I guess that flies are attracted to licking moisture before it evaporates. Therefore the flies are likely to be looking to lick masks if they think they can get an easy drink. Various insects including flies can mechanically carry SARS-CoV-2 around, but they can't be infected. There are no documented cases of insect-borne COVID-19 (doesn't mean it's never happened but we can infer it's a "rare" event). UV does induce mutations but not sure that masks make much difference here since that effect will be much the same on virus floating in the air (aka primary transmission mechanism) in any case. Finally, the virus that causes COVID-19 can't actually infect bats, this would require a reverse zoonosis event. Picking up masks is great though. Personally I would recommend PPE for this (gloves / grabber & mask) if you are going to do it a lot, because COVID is not the worst thing that could be on the masks. You could get really unlucky and handle a mask with TB or something else nasty. It's low likelihood but the risk is worth thinking about if you plan to handle thousands of masks.

Fnoord 5y ago

Thank you for your service. I don't want to do it though. Cause I don't want to touch a used mask with bare hands (I got gloves with me, but these are against cold weather specifically). However, with a grapple device and bag (the bag being the easy part) it could be reasonably easy and clean to take care of them. I got one, but I'm not carrying it around to e.g. work or family (that's when I usually see a mask). When I go with my child to the playground, and I'd see one, I could go home to get the grapple. However, I don't remember that occurring. There's quite some firework plastic still lingering around, so I could clean that up before I go with my child to the playground (mainly, to clean the playground). Btw, I want to comment on the amount you found. 122, 180. That's a lot. How much time did it take you? Cause I only see a mask occasionally (but it annoys me).

peterburkimsher 5y ago
Thank you for your honesty! "I don't want to do it" is at least admitting personal responsibility. Your responsibility to protect your (presumably unvaccinated) child is also a rational decision. Young people are particularly good at seeing things on the ground and picking them up, but are also unlikely to wash hands before touching their faces. Therefore I'm specifically calling for young men who don't love their own lives (depressed computer nerds like me) to serve the greater good. I haven't yet logged detailed times (only started counting yesterday, before that was just picking these up as regular litter on my commute). But here's a few from today's log. 32 total between Gossamer Dr and Pakuranga bus stop ~11:45 - 12:40, of which 9 on road (usually a 15 minute bike ride, was more like 25 minutes that time due to stopping regularly, then a walk through the car park) 16 masks Shore Care/Smales Farm has infectious substances bin from 18:45 to 19:30 4 masks Pakuranga plaza (1 countdown, 3 warehouse) 20:40-21:05
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  Thank you for your interest, I've now stayed up until 5:20 am making more detailed logs in a spreadsheet. Heading rows: Mask count, Centre GPS coordinates, Radius (km), Start date and time, End date and time, Comments https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ap2lpLXWzK1WcdsasP8cEGn7Bhqig3OlPH9njqh4KYs/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ap2lpLXWzK1WcdsasP8c... Apologies if there's less data tomorrow, I'm not sure what time I'll wake up. But I really wish I could get to Sylvia Park and some other malls and gather some more data points. Please can an expert in data visualisation draw a heatmap?

xyzzy123 5y ago

COVID on masks is gonna break down with a half life on the order of hours.

peterburkimsher 5y ago
Really, will a non-living entity (virus) break down? I agree that in direct sunlight, some types of pathogens can be broken down. However, the 2 hypotheses are that there is a risk. Also, I guess that flies are attracted to licking moisture before it evaporates. Therefore the flies are likely to be looking to lick masks if they think they can get an easy drink. Hypothesis 1: UV-C light at 300 nm (resonant size of particle) can make the COVID dance itself to pieces. > Issue: UV-C light causes sunburn and is blocked by the ozone layer. >> Solution: in Shanghai, the public bus service uses UV-C light to disinfect each bus at the end of the day. https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3075171/shanghai-introduces-ultraviolet-light-disinfect-public-buses https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3075171/shanghai-introduces... Hypothesis 2: UV-A or UV-B light at different wavelengths can cause mutations. > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mutation_(genetic_algorithm)&oldid=481243903 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mutation_(genetic... > {Bit string mutation, Flip Bit, Boundary, Non-Uniform, Uniform, Gaussian} >> Translated to computer programming: off-by-one errors. >> https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoHardThings.html
- xyzzy123 5y ago
  > Really, will a non-living entity (virus) break down? Yes, this is fairly well studied, see: https://www.csiro.au/en/research/health-medical/diseases/covid-19-research/how-long-the-virus-can-survive https://www.csiro.au/en/research/health-medical/diseases/cov... and https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/sars-calculator https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/sars-calculator > Also, I guess that flies are attracted to licking moisture before it evaporates. Therefore the flies are likely to be looking to lick masks if they think they can get an easy drink. Various insects including flies can mechanically carry SARS-CoV-2 around, but they can't be infected. There are no documented cases of insect-borne COVID-19 (doesn't mean it's never happened but we can infer it's a "rare" event). UV does induce mutations but not sure that masks make much difference here since that effect will be much the same on virus floating in the air (aka primary transmission mechanism) in any case. Finally, the virus that causes COVID-19 can't actually infect bats, this would require a reverse zoonosis event. Picking up masks is great though. Personally I would recommend PPE for this (gloves / grabber & mask) if you are going to do it a lot, because COVID is not the worst thing that could be on the masks. You could get really unlucky and handle a mask with TB or something else nasty. It's low likelihood but the risk is worth thinking about if you plan to handle thousands of masks.