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Olvid: “the most secure messenger in the world”

19 points by bondant 5y ago

zaik 5y ago
> Inability of the operator to know "who is talking to whom". No third party could ever identify the participants, not even the server. No trace of any metadata. Can somebody explain how this is achieved? How does the server know where to deliver messages?
endofreach 5y ago
The „text different“ section literally describes what any other messenger does.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  I've never encountered a mobile texting application that allows replies to specific messages, only replying to the entire thread in general
  - sidpatil 5y ago
    Both WhatsApp and iMessage have supported this feature for a while.
    - saurik 5y ago
      iMessage's version takes the message and makes a thread out of it, and then inside that thread you are only ever "responding to the thread in general". The good versions are WhatsApp and (now) Facebook Messenger (though I think the UX is still better on WhatsApp).
      - endofreach 5y ago
        I was thinking only about 3rd-party messengers. iMessage sucks. Source: I stopped using Whatsapp a couple of weeks ago and moved go signal & imessage. Most messages are iMessage currently. Since i use iMessage that much, I have realized how bad it is compared to any other messenger…
  - adamcstephens 5y ago
    Telegram has this. In fact you can only reply to specific messages as threads don’t exist.
  - Tajnymag 5y ago
    Signal, WhatsApp and even Messenger have it.
    - d0100 5y ago
      Bumble as well, despite not solely a chat app
  - jraph 5y ago
    Signal and Matrix/Element do this.
  - hammyhavoc 5y ago
    I do this all the time on Element.
bluepoint 5y ago
How do they make money?
- flxy 5y ago
  As is the case with a lot of messengers, they try to sell their product to enterprises. Pricing for that is available on their site as well: https://olvid.io/enterprise/en/ https://olvid.io/enterprise/en/
irobeth 5y ago
How does this differ from what Signal offers?
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  No associated phone number and no contact uploads
0xdeadb00f 5y ago
Not open source? Pass.
- bondant 5y ago
  The server is indeed not open-source. But the clients have been recently open-sourced: https://github.com/olvid-io https://github.com/olvid-io

19 points by bondant 5y ago

zaik 5y ago

> Inability of the operator to know "who is talking to whom". No third party could ever identify the participants, not even the server. No trace of any metadata. Can somebody explain how this is achieved? How does the server know where to deliver messages?

endofreach 5y ago

The „text different“ section literally describes what any other messenger does.

netizen-936824 5y ago
I've never encountered a mobile texting application that allows replies to specific messages, only replying to the entire thread in general
- sidpatil 5y ago
  Both WhatsApp and iMessage have supported this feature for a while.
  - saurik 5y ago
    iMessage's version takes the message and makes a thread out of it, and then inside that thread you are only ever "responding to the thread in general". The good versions are WhatsApp and (now) Facebook Messenger (though I think the UX is still better on WhatsApp).
    - endofreach 5y ago
      I was thinking only about 3rd-party messengers. iMessage sucks. Source: I stopped using Whatsapp a couple of weeks ago and moved go signal & imessage. Most messages are iMessage currently. Since i use iMessage that much, I have realized how bad it is compared to any other messenger…
- adamcstephens 5y ago
  Telegram has this. In fact you can only reply to specific messages as threads don’t exist.
- Tajnymag 5y ago
  Signal, WhatsApp and even Messenger have it.
  - d0100 5y ago
    Bumble as well, despite not solely a chat app
- jraph 5y ago
  Signal and Matrix/Element do this.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  I do this all the time on Element.

bluepoint 5y ago

How do they make money?

flxy 5y ago
As is the case with a lot of messengers, they try to sell their product to enterprises. Pricing for that is available on their site as well: https://olvid.io/enterprise/en/ https://olvid.io/enterprise/en/

irobeth 5y ago

How does this differ from what Signal offers?

netizen-936824 5y ago
No associated phone number and no contact uploads

0xdeadb00f 5y ago

Not open source? Pass.

bondant 5y ago
The server is indeed not open-source. But the clients have been recently open-sourced: https://github.com/olvid-io https://github.com/olvid-io