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I was making no reference, good or bad, to recruiters in general. I was referring to this particular example in isolation. To me that mailing list post seemed i

by retube 15y ago

I was making no reference, good or bad, to recruiters in general. I was referring to this particular example in isolation. To me that mailing list post seemed inoffensive and relevant. Assuming it's occasional, what's the problem? What the author is doing is worse. He's using this minor indiscretion (if it's even that) to jump on the recruiter-bashing band wagon and churn out a blog post and get himself a bit of traffic.

Peroni 15y ago
I think the issue is that the ad is so vague that it could, and probably is, simply a fishing attempt to find candidates and generate leads. There is nothing in the ad to give you any form of confidence in the legitimacy or existence of a job. No mention of industry, the type of project involved, ideal experience required, etc. They are simply looking for 'MongoDB' people. It's more of a waste of time and space than anything else. EDIT: For the record, I'm not the one downvoting your posts!
- retube 15y ago
  OK Fortune1000 and 115k is not a huge amount of info, but it's fairly definitive nonetheless. Of course it _could_ be fishing, but that's kind of my point: because it's a recruiter everyone assumes the worst. > I'm not downvoting your posts Yeah sure, any opinion that diverges from the HN hivemind is gonna get dv'd in oblivion.
dblock 15y ago
You're reading too much between the lines. Quote from the post: "Please note that I don’t think recruiters are evil. They provide valuable services to both companies and candidates. But good recruiting takes hard work, time and social skills building relationships over a long period of time – something that justifies a 25% ticket from your year’s salary upon hire. In contrast, what’s the definition of sending an e-mail to 800 people because you have their e-mail address and think they are in your target demographic? Spam."
- notahacker 15y ago
  In fairness this is an unusually well targeted email - assuming there's a real job they've effectively alerted 800 people in a relatively small niche to its existence in a relatively inoffensive way (you'd rather they did it the hard work way by bothering you at meetups and calling you to see if you're ready to ditch your startup yet? Really?). The ratio of people that might actually be interested in the job to people who wasted approximately 2 seconds parsing the email is quite high. Now I start laughing when recruiters match me with CS graduate jobs which match up with me on their database because they're in the same part of the country as the university I went to, four years ago, in a completely different subject area...

by retube 15y ago

Peroni 15y ago

I think the issue is that the ad is so vague that it could, and probably is, simply a fishing attempt to find candidates and generate leads. There is nothing in the ad to give you any form of confidence in the legitimacy or existence of a job. No mention of industry, the type of project involved, ideal experience required, etc. They are simply looking for 'MongoDB' people. It's more of a waste of time and space than anything else. EDIT: For the record, I'm not the one downvoting your posts!

retube 15y ago
OK Fortune1000 and 115k is not a huge amount of info, but it's fairly definitive nonetheless. Of course it _could_ be fishing, but that's kind of my point: because it's a recruiter everyone assumes the worst. > I'm not downvoting your posts Yeah sure, any opinion that diverges from the HN hivemind is gonna get dv'd in oblivion.

dblock 15y ago

You're reading too much between the lines. Quote from the post: "Please note that I don’t think recruiters are evil. They provide valuable services to both companies and candidates. But good recruiting takes hard work, time and social skills building relationships over a long period of time – something that justifies a 25% ticket from your year’s salary upon hire. In contrast, what’s the definition of sending an e-mail to 800 people because you have their e-mail address and think they are in your target demographic? Spam."

notahacker 15y ago
In fairness this is an unusually well targeted email - assuming there's a real job they've effectively alerted 800 people in a relatively small niche to its existence in a relatively inoffensive way (you'd rather they did it the hard work way by bothering you at meetups and calling you to see if you're ready to ditch your startup yet? Really?). The ratio of people that might actually be interested in the job to people who wasted approximately 2 seconds parsing the email is quite high. Now I start laughing when recruiters match me with CS graduate jobs which match up with me on their database because they're in the same part of the country as the university I went to, four years ago, in a completely different subject area...