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The Ontario government also reports many more COVID-19 cases (per 100,000 for each vaccination status) among the vaccinated than unvaccinated: All Ontario: Cas
by miles 5y ago
The Ontario government also reports many more COVID-19 cases (per 100,000 for each vaccination status) among the vaccinated than unvaccinated:
All Ontario: Case numbers and spread https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread
Rate per 100,000 (12/31/21, 7-day average):
Fully vaccinated: 79.86
Partially vaccinated: 63.77
Unvaccinated: 59.75
- ekianjo 5y agoYet all the restrictions fall on the unvaccinated. Are they going to reverse course?
- mailbag 5y agoAssuming restrictions on unvaccinated are reducing their rate of exposure, is this result that unexpected? Edit: While I personally don’t support broad restrictions, I’d actually argue this is evidence that the restrictions are making an impact.
- a0-prw 5y agoI think that is a big jump to make. There are no restrictions on the unvaxxed. We just have to get tested if we want to take part in society (go to bars, concerts, etc) The Danish covid passport does not discriminate between vaccination and a negative test. Both give access to everything Ironically, this means that lots of vaxxed people don't get tested anymore.
- ttyprintk 5y agoConsider that unvaccinated must quarantine before entering countries like France, and are being removed from the workforce and military in countries like USA, reducing the number of edges on their graph. Maybe I’m missing something but the pattern is what I’d expect at this stage. Most people acknowledge the risk to themselves of traveling or congregating, and subsequently to others who are immunocompromised or unvaccinated. What’s unpredictable is whether new variants will spread more readily, but we’re discovering that now, I guess.
- a0-prw 5y agoWell quarantine for entry to France and firing soldiers in the US doesn't effect the situation in Denmark :)
- ttyprintk 5y agoGiven global travel today, _it could_. My point is the widespread application of these rules is putting vaccinated people together to maintain convenience and isolating unvaccinated people to prevent healthcare overload.
- GuB-42 5y agoEven with free testing, having to test every other day to do some social activity is a burden. At the very least, you have to go to your local test center to do something not particularly enjoyable, and wait for the results. I'm sure most of the unvaccinated simply avoid "unnecessary" social events, or didn't do them in the first place (i.e. "I don't socialize, I don't need a vaccine").
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- darthrupert 5y agoDoes this figure ignore the fact that most people are fully vaccinated?
- angelzen 5y agoSimilar figures from Denmark, reported as rates and broke down by age groups. Waiting for severe omicron cases stats, which may lag for a few weeks. We are in for an interesting winter... https://covid19danmark.dk/#gennembrudsinfektioner https://covid19danmark.dk/#gennembrudsinfektioner https://files.ssi.dk/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-omikronvarianten-31122021-ct18 https://files.ssi.dk/covid19/omikron/statusrapport/rapport-o...
- darthrupert 5y agoAnd do those figures also ignore the fact that most people are vaccinated?
- GuB-42 5y agoNo. There are more cases in vaccinated people per 100000 numbers.
- darthrupert 5y agoRight. What's your theory on why this happens?
- GuB-42 5y agoI have a few theories of my own but it is not the point. And if you are curious, I still think everyone should get vaccinated / boosted, but I am just a random guy in the internet. You ask if the figures take into account the fact that many people are vaccinated and the answer is yes. Draw your own conclusions. Even if you are convinced of the vaccine benefits (which I am), you shouldn't be in denial when the numbers don't match your expectations. If you do, then your reasoning is no better than that of conspiracy theorists, climate change denialists and antivaxxers. Unboosted vaccine efficiency is negative for omicron, that's what the numbers are saying. If it contradicts your theory, then your theory is wrong and you have to find a better one. It you want to think scientifically, you have to consider the idea that vaccines can be ineffective/harmful, even if, like me, you don't believe it, because it is the most "obvious" conclusion. And only after you have accepted that possibility, you can look for confounding variables, mistakes and other effects that can disprove this idea.
- criticaltinker 5y agoI’m sure some folks here will chime in with countering/supporting data, but assuming these trends are truly representative, understanding why this is occurring will be imperative. One hypothesis involves the fact that current mRNA vaccines induce an immune response highly targeted toward the spike protein RBD. In contrast, natural infection induces a broader immune response that includes antibodies targeting other proteins (Nucleocapsid protein being one of the most notable; it is commonly used to determine if a prior infection occurred). Omicron in particular is a variant that has accumulated a significant number of mutations in the S protein region. Is this coincidence or are we seeing selective pressure due to mass vaccination campaigns?
- _djo_ 5y agoGiven the low vaccination rate in Sub-Saharan Africa at the time this variant emerged from there, it's unlikely that mass vaccination campaigns drove selection pressure in this case. Far more likely that it was a host jump or a long mutation period inside a single immuno-compromised individual.
- wsc981 5y ago> Given the low vaccination rate in Sub-Saharan Africa at the time this variant emerged from there, it's unlikely that mass vaccination campaigns drove selection pressure in this case. Far more likely that it was a host jump or a long mutation period inside a single immuno-compromised individual. Perhaps, but it's my understanding that Omicron was first observed in diplomats that had already received multiple vaccinations. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/world/botswana-diplomats-omicron-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/world/botswana-diplomats-...
- _djo_ 5y agoNo, none of those are suspected of being Patient Zero because they aren’t the earliest cases. Just the first to be detected. Nigeria has found Omicron in samples dating back to October, long before the diplomat cases were identified, and analyses that have compared changes to the genome over time against the infection rate show that it likely emerged in late September / early October.
- nojokes 5y agoHow many of the unvaccinated in Ontario have been previously infected by any previous variants? Is there any recent seroprevalence data available?