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can you give me a link to one of these forums?

by nomy99 5y ago

o10449366 5y ago
1point3acres is the most prolific, but there are many others.
- nomy99 5y ago
  Thx
- fermentation 5y ago
  Wow there seems to be an absolutely massive amount of useful information, maybe I should learn how to read it!
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    Google translate is sufficient. They’ll do it pretty carefully, complete with “pretend you get stuck at this specific point and if you get asked why to use a hashmap, act baffled for a moment, and then say X”
    - jsiaajdsdaa 5y ago
      As someone who has studied and passed before in this manner, and is now an interviewer, I have a simple solution that other companies should follow: for at least one round of interviewing, let me (the interviewer) use my own custom question, where the goal is not so much to solve it but rather to reason outloud collaboratively about many different aspects of the question. I like to use 3d graphics as a domain that candidates most likely havent seen before, but sufficiently motivated/smart ones can hold their own in. If someone doesn't quickly and intuitively grasp that a shape is a collection of faces, and a face is a collection of points, and a point is a collection of vertices, I'm not sure that they have what I am personally looking for (even though we dont do any 3d graphics in our project)
      - baskethead 5y ago
        This is exactly the type of question that is the worst for interviews. It's a completely uncalibrated, completely subjective, esoteric type of question where you can't say exactly why you liked a candidate or why you didn't like her. There's no data underneath it except for "I liked how the conversation went." It completely gives an advantage to candidates who know 3D and completely gives a disadvantage to candidates that know nothing about it. Even worse, they are relying on YOU to explain it to them. Who's to say you are sufficiently qualified to teach people the basics of 3D graphics enough such that they can answer your questions? Have you been calibrated or judged on your ability to teach even the basics of 3D graphics? Or are you assuming that you're good enough? It's completely inappropriate and relying completely on you to determine a candidate's qualifications based on nothing except your feelings. It's a horrible question and I seriously hope this is not entertained at all at your company.
        nlh 5y ago
        So I'm not a part of this world at all and I'm super fascinated by this perspective. I hear your point entirely. How do you counter the issue with pre-structured interviews where the questions get distributed and you end up with candidates who learn how to answer your exact question (but lack the skills to actually be dynamic in their job, or even do their job)?
        baskethead 5y ago
        If I could answer that question, I would be a billionaire already. Programming interviews are almost exactly akin to actor's auditions. Just because you flunk an audition doesn't mean that you're a bad actor. Also, auditioning takes a special skill and it's not very much like being a real actor. But they still do it to this day. Programming interviews are similar. The best hiring model I can come up with is the Netflix model. Pay top of the market, hire and fire people quickly if they don't meet expectations, with a generous severance. Have high expectations, reward the ones that can fulfill those expectations, and quickly get rid of those that don't. It's ruthless, but the Netflix engineers I know love working there.
        5y ago
    - shinazueli 5y ago
      It’s ridiculously obvious when people have seen the question before. The way we do it is like this: we have like 3 or 4 different small variations on each question. Such that the solution is measurably different, in quite telling ways, but that the given problem looks almost identical. In one specific case the given is identical, but there are 3 variations to the question based on how the candidate asks questions about it (if they don’t ask questions the question is not possible to solve as we don’t give all of the information you need.) We started doing it this way precisely because we kept running into people who would have 3 nearly perfect interviews and one “hard fail”, and we eventually realized it was because they were so good at faking that they’d seen it before but if they hadn’t seen it before they bombed it hard. So now that we have the “variations”, at least once a month someone will “hard fail” the interview because they’re obviously cheating and will quite literally give the right answer to the wrong question, just rote memorizing it. It’s an arms race. And one that I enjoy.
      - thih9 5y ago
        > It’s an arms race. And one that I enjoy. This sounds like focusing on the wrong thing in the interview process.
      - vanusa 5y ago
      - krtwllndr 5y ago
        Having been on both sides of interviews but fortunate enough to no have to do leetcode interviews I have a genuine question for those that do. Why do them? Are you really facing those problems frequently enough at FAANG to have know them? Is it uppity engineers? Gatekeeping? Or are you just getting so many applicants that you have to filter somehow and leetcode interviewing has some nice properties (easy to apply remotely, can be done by engineers, strong pass/fail criteria). Genuine interest. Ignore the negative subtext, that's just me on this subject.
        coldtea 5y ago
        Never underestimate the "everybody else is doing them too" factor.
- outloudvi 5y ago
  Interesting. I had never expected 1P3A mentioned on HN. It's mainly a forum for Chinese overseas to discuss their life and so on. Surrounding this topic they have also developed side features like COVID-19 statistics and some system for school applicants.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  Is this common among immigrant communities? For example do Vietnamese or Indian or Nigerian communities exist to give each other exclusive support on finding jobs or other such advantages?
  - normie3000 5y ago
    Yes. And American immigrant communities in other countries. The size and formality will generally correlate with the size of the immigrant community. From real-world social networks to Facebook groups to dedicated sites and forums.
  - shankr 5y ago
    Just another kind of networking.

can you give me a link to one of these forums?

by nomy99 5y ago

can you give me a link to one of these forums?

o10449366 5y ago

1point3acres is the most prolific, but there are many others.

nomy99 5y ago
Thx
fermentation 5y ago
Wow there seems to be an absolutely massive amount of useful information, maybe I should learn how to read it!
- renewiltord 5y ago
  Google translate is sufficient. They’ll do it pretty carefully, complete with “pretend you get stuck at this specific point and if you get asked why to use a hashmap, act baffled for a moment, and then say X”
  - jsiaajdsdaa 5y ago
    As someone who has studied and passed before in this manner, and is now an interviewer, I have a simple solution that other companies should follow: for at least one round of interviewing, let me (the interviewer) use my own custom question, where the goal is not so much to solve it but rather to reason outloud collaboratively about many different aspects of the question. I like to use 3d graphics as a domain that candidates most likely havent seen before, but sufficiently motivated/smart ones can hold their own in. If someone doesn't quickly and intuitively grasp that a shape is a collection of faces, and a face is a collection of points, and a point is a collection of vertices, I'm not sure that they have what I am personally looking for (even though we dont do any 3d graphics in our project)
    - baskethead 5y ago
      This is exactly the type of question that is the worst for interviews. It's a completely uncalibrated, completely subjective, esoteric type of question where you can't say exactly why you liked a candidate or why you didn't like her. There's no data underneath it except for "I liked how the conversation went." It completely gives an advantage to candidates who know 3D and completely gives a disadvantage to candidates that know nothing about it. Even worse, they are relying on YOU to explain it to them. Who's to say you are sufficiently qualified to teach people the basics of 3D graphics enough such that they can answer your questions? Have you been calibrated or judged on your ability to teach even the basics of 3D graphics? Or are you assuming that you're good enough? It's completely inappropriate and relying completely on you to determine a candidate's qualifications based on nothing except your feelings. It's a horrible question and I seriously hope this is not entertained at all at your company.
      - nlh 5y ago
        So I'm not a part of this world at all and I'm super fascinated by this perspective. I hear your point entirely. How do you counter the issue with pre-structured interviews where the questions get distributed and you end up with candidates who learn how to answer your exact question (but lack the skills to actually be dynamic in their job, or even do their job)?
        baskethead 5y ago
        If I could answer that question, I would be a billionaire already. Programming interviews are almost exactly akin to actor's auditions. Just because you flunk an audition doesn't mean that you're a bad actor. Also, auditioning takes a special skill and it's not very much like being a real actor. But they still do it to this day. Programming interviews are similar. The best hiring model I can come up with is the Netflix model. Pay top of the market, hire and fire people quickly if they don't meet expectations, with a generous severance. Have high expectations, reward the ones that can fulfill those expectations, and quickly get rid of those that don't. It's ruthless, but the Netflix engineers I know love working there.
        5y ago
  - shinazueli 5y ago
    It’s ridiculously obvious when people have seen the question before. The way we do it is like this: we have like 3 or 4 different small variations on each question. Such that the solution is measurably different, in quite telling ways, but that the given problem looks almost identical. In one specific case the given is identical, but there are 3 variations to the question based on how the candidate asks questions about it (if they don’t ask questions the question is not possible to solve as we don’t give all of the information you need.) We started doing it this way precisely because we kept running into people who would have 3 nearly perfect interviews and one “hard fail”, and we eventually realized it was because they were so good at faking that they’d seen it before but if they hadn’t seen it before they bombed it hard. So now that we have the “variations”, at least once a month someone will “hard fail” the interview because they’re obviously cheating and will quite literally give the right answer to the wrong question, just rote memorizing it. It’s an arms race. And one that I enjoy.
    - thih9 5y ago
      > It’s an arms race. And one that I enjoy. This sounds like focusing on the wrong thing in the interview process.
    - vanusa 5y ago
    - krtwllndr 5y ago
      Having been on both sides of interviews but fortunate enough to no have to do leetcode interviews I have a genuine question for those that do. Why do them? Are you really facing those problems frequently enough at FAANG to have know them? Is it uppity engineers? Gatekeeping? Or are you just getting so many applicants that you have to filter somehow and leetcode interviewing has some nice properties (easy to apply remotely, can be done by engineers, strong pass/fail criteria). Genuine interest. Ignore the negative subtext, that's just me on this subject.
      - coldtea 5y ago
        Never underestimate the "everybody else is doing them too" factor.
outloudvi 5y ago
Interesting. I had never expected 1P3A mentioned on HN. It's mainly a forum for Chinese overseas to discuss their life and so on. Surrounding this topic they have also developed side features like COVID-19 statistics and some system for school applicants.
throwawaysea 5y ago
Is this common among immigrant communities? For example do Vietnamese or Indian or Nigerian communities exist to give each other exclusive support on finding jobs or other such advantages?
- normie3000 5y ago
  Yes. And American immigrant communities in other countries. The size and formality will generally correlate with the size of the immigrant community. From real-world social networks to Facebook groups to dedicated sites and forums.
- shankr 5y ago
  Just another kind of networking.