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Assuming that all covid deaths are accounted for and all the rest of the excess deaths are from lockdown, there would have to be at least as many excess deaths

by ok_dad 5y ago

Assuming that all covid deaths are accounted for and all the rest of the excess deaths are from lockdown, there would have to be at least as many excess deaths as covid deaths to start saying the cure is worse than the disease. From the numbers it seems like there would be about 800k covid deaths to 200k excess (in the USA), so that would indicate the disease was 4x worse than the cure. Of course those are all assumptions that I don’t think are accurate, but using your own logic. But one thing we probably can agree on is that at this point covid is endemic and most people have given up trying to get to zero cases. For me, I personally just integrated into my worldview the fact that I can’t trust most humans to give a shit about others (like following simple mask and vaccine guidelines) and have to protect my family however best I can, even if that means less social interaction for the rest of my life.

pitaj 5y ago
That's only assuming the lockdowns were effective compared to alternatives.
- ok_dad 5y ago
  I was responding to the claim the lockdowns were worse than the disease, which was not correct. I claimed nothing else.
pclmulqdq 5y ago
Usually, when people say the cure is worse than the disease, they are suggesting that [cure + disease] is worse than [disease without cure]. I am sorry that was imprecise. There is an assumption here that the lockdowns have reduced the number of COVID deaths. That is not necessarily the case, and actually the evidence points to the contrary: looking at state data, it looks like strict lockdown policies taken in some states in the US were ineffective at best, and may have been harmful.
- ok_dad 5y ago
  I appreciate your comment to clarify the original comment.
lenkite 5y ago
AU has opened up a vaccine claims scheme explicitly recognising that the vaccine itself can lead to injury/hospitalisation/death. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-claims... https://www.health.gov.au/news/reduction-in-threshold-of-no-fault-covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme https://www.health.gov.au/news/reduction-in-threshold-of-no-... "The evidence requirements for claims $20,000 and over, including death and broader operation of the scheme will be published shortly. Claims relating to a death will not require evidence of hospitalisation."

by ok_dad 5y ago

pitaj 5y ago

That's only assuming the lockdowns were effective compared to alternatives.

ok_dad 5y ago
I was responding to the claim the lockdowns were worse than the disease, which was not correct. I claimed nothing else.

pclmulqdq 5y ago

Usually, when people say the cure is worse than the disease, they are suggesting that [cure + disease] is worse than [disease without cure]. I am sorry that was imprecise. There is an assumption here that the lockdowns have reduced the number of COVID deaths. That is not necessarily the case, and actually the evidence points to the contrary: looking at state data, it looks like strict lockdown policies taken in some states in the US were ineffective at best, and may have been harmful.

ok_dad 5y ago
I appreciate your comment to clarify the original comment.

lenkite 5y ago

AU has opened up a vaccine claims scheme explicitly recognising that the vaccine itself can lead to injury/hospitalisation/death. https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-claims... https://www.health.gov.au/news/reduction-in-threshold-of-no-fault-covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme https://www.health.gov.au/news/reduction-in-threshold-of-no-... "The evidence requirements for claims $20,000 and over, including death and broader operation of the scheme will be published shortly. Claims relating to a death will not require evidence of hospitalisation."