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The vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting or spreading covid. In Ontario same case rate of covid per 100k residents, in unxxed as vaxxed and heading high

The vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting or spreading covid. In Ontario same case rate of covid per 100k residents, in unxxed as vaxxed and heading higher. 3rd graph. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0OetspYalQy0Otcc41JS6b-L9BnzLOdhl1eZ1L4FHg https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0...

sm4rk0 5y ago
"The anti-vaccination people don’t need facts" but pro-vaccination people will downvote the official data. Edit: ...as the parent comment was downvoted when I wrote this
- manwe150 5y ago
  The page also shows that vaccinated people are far less likely to be in the ICU, which is an even more important metric.
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    This is the only metric still left, which ma be just time delayed. Also people in ICU with covid may not be the same thing as people in ICU because of covid. It may likely just be that very sick people in hospitals are refusing the vaccine and catching it. Hospitals are confined spaces that aid in transmission of all kinds of diseases. The difference is 40 people out of a population of 14.5 million. So small it could literally be people with terminal diseases catching covid on their death beds. To use this to advocate for any preventative effect in a healthy individual in the general population would be misleading. Very likely the difference is just sampling bias.
    - Spooky23 5y ago
      It could be many things. The simple explanation, that getting a vaccination that prevents or reduces the impact of a disease makes more sense. To the point that it’s a no-brainer. It’s a moot point now, as this phase of the pandemic is played out. People embraced fear, ignorance and doubt in the name of freedom. Many will needlessly suffer as a result.
      - dukeofdoom 5y ago
        Wearing gloves to prevent frostbite is a no Brainer too. Telling people in Hawaii to wear gloves to reduce frostbite in Canada is what I think the contentious issue is. A simple solution can be just as brain dead. The vaccine has side effects. Loss of dexterity from wearing gloves also has serious consequences.
Spooky23 5y ago
I don't think that is seriously questioned with the Delta and Omicron variants. Vaccines do seem, however, to reduce the probability of having a serious infection that requires hospitalization or ICU admission. It's a novel virus and it and the situation around it evolves very quickly. The anti-vax crowd conveniently ignores that detail, and unfortunately the people who give them credence are paying the price through needless suffering or even death.

sm4rk0 5y ago

"The anti-vaccination people don’t need facts" but pro-vaccination people will downvote the official data. Edit: ...as the parent comment was downvoted when I wrote this

manwe150 5y ago
The page also shows that vaccinated people are far less likely to be in the ICU, which is an even more important metric.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  This is the only metric still left, which ma be just time delayed. Also people in ICU with covid may not be the same thing as people in ICU because of covid. It may likely just be that very sick people in hospitals are refusing the vaccine and catching it. Hospitals are confined spaces that aid in transmission of all kinds of diseases. The difference is 40 people out of a population of 14.5 million. So small it could literally be people with terminal diseases catching covid on their death beds. To use this to advocate for any preventative effect in a healthy individual in the general population would be misleading. Very likely the difference is just sampling bias.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    It could be many things. The simple explanation, that getting a vaccination that prevents or reduces the impact of a disease makes more sense. To the point that it’s a no-brainer. It’s a moot point now, as this phase of the pandemic is played out. People embraced fear, ignorance and doubt in the name of freedom. Many will needlessly suffer as a result.
    - dukeofdoom 5y ago
      Wearing gloves to prevent frostbite is a no Brainer too. Telling people in Hawaii to wear gloves to reduce frostbite in Canada is what I think the contentious issue is. A simple solution can be just as brain dead. The vaccine has side effects. Loss of dexterity from wearing gloves also has serious consequences.

Spooky23 5y ago

I don't think that is seriously questioned with the Delta and Omicron variants. Vaccines do seem, however, to reduce the probability of having a serious infection that requires hospitalization or ICU admission. It's a novel virus and it and the situation around it evolves very quickly. The anti-vax crowd conveniently ignores that detail, and unfortunately the people who give them credence are paying the price through needless suffering or even death.