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Homeschooling is a dumb idea. Part of child development is detaching from parents and leatning to interact with peers of the same age (and in the same age brac

by znpy 5y ago

Homeschooling is a dumb idea. Part of child development is detaching from parents and leatning to interact with peers of the same age (and in the same age bracket in general). Homeschooling negates this chance for development to the child.

dontcare007 5y ago
We raised five strong,independent intelligent young women without the 'help' of the public school system. They have no problem interacting with everyone from infants to adults.
gregjor 5y ago
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Homeschooling doesn’t mean no social interactions with other children. If anything the opposite is true. Parents who deprive their children of social interaction are called abusive, not homeschoolers.
- actfrench 5y ago
  Exactly.
  - gregjor 5y ago
    You’ll have to do your own research, maybe visit some local homeschooling groups. Read John Holt, Grace Llewelyn, John Taylor Gatto, Ivan Illich to learn more about homeschooling and unschooling. You will find that homeschooled children have active and rich social lives. Of course some parents don’t provide that for their children, but they wouldn’t let their kids socialize in any case. That’s not what homeschooling is about, and it simply isn’t true that homeschooled kids miss out on socializing, friends, peer groups, activities.
actfrench 5y ago
I've actually seen the opposite, that homeschoolers (especially in large urban areas), have a ton of friends. A lot of people think of homeschooling as kid sitting in a kitchen with their parents learning math on a chalkboard. In fact, modern-day homeschoolers tend to be much more out and about in their community. They connect with others in classes led by parents or experts, in big park days where they play on the playground - or explore nature, or in co-ops where parents share skills. In places like Portland and NYC, there are large centers where homeschoolers go to take classes together. Unlike school, they don't have 30 minutes of recess to interact and are in classrooms with mixed ages, they have long periods to play and learn with kids of different ages. Being exposed to older peers is actually quite healthy for growth and development because kids learn by modeling. For example, if an older child knows how to read, it inspires them to learn. I'm doing a study on this right now and finding that homeschoolers are much more satisfied with their social life than parents with kids in public school (and this was true both before the pandemic and now with kids back in school). A large part of this is because they can curate their own social experiences. And homeschooling, unlike school has much less bullying, clicks, etcetera. And the groups are much more diverse and inclusive. Since many of the people who choose to homeschool were having unpleasant social experience in school, they tend to be quite a welcoming community. I really think a lot of this can be attributed to homeschoolers getting to curate their own social experiences as opposed to having this socially engineered for them.
- znpy 5y ago
  > They connect with others in classes led by parents or experts Then it's not homeschooling. Easy.
  - actfrench 5y ago
    Technically, they are legally homeschooling, not in school. In this case, we're dealing with the misnomer problem. I also agree that homeschooling is the wrong word for this type of education. It's more like alloparenting, or what I like to call Modular Learning. https://manisharoses.medium.com/homeschooling-needs-a-new-name-any-ideas-4423f68822c5 https://manisharoses.medium.com/homeschooling-needs-a-new-na...
    - znpy 5y ago
      > Technically, they are legally homeschooling "They're homeschooling, just not at home".
  - gregjor 5y ago
    You’re giving a good example of poor social skills and poor reasoning skills. I’m guessing you weren’t homeschooled.
    - actfrench 5y ago
      I don't see how these are poor reasoning skills. If a child is not enrolled in a formal school, their legal category is homeschooling, regardless of whether they are doing that primarily through study in their house with their parent or taking lots of extracurriculars. I guess haters have to hate though:)
      - gregjor 5y ago
        A child not enrolled in school or something equivalent is called truant, and that’s against the law. Every state has rules that define acceptable homeschooling. Keeping children confined at home with no social interaction is not homeschooling even if the parents call it that. It does happen that parents remove their kids from society for various (usually religious) reasons but they are not mainstream homeschoolers. Analogously some people who don’t have regular jobs are criminals, but a lot of them are self-employed, independently wealthy, retired, etc., so you can’t equate no having a job with not working, or engaging in crime.
theandrewbailey 5y ago
I was homeschooled for most of my schooling. Even in a small midwestern town, there were about 50 families from around the county in a local homeschooling group. Thanks to that, there were extra curricular activities and sports programs. I was in a theater class, chess club, spanish, and a programming course. My friends were in a swimming team and debate club. For the reading, writing, and arithmetic classes, there are courses designed for homeschoolers in mind. One course was provided by a college that invited homeschooled students to a "high school" graduation ceremony. The idea that homeschooled kids live under a rock and don't talk to others is false. Some religious nutjob parents might make headlines for doing that, but that is nowhere near the everyday reality of homeschooled kids.
- actfrench 5y ago
  Exactly. So well put.
  - actfrench 5y ago
    Andrew, I'd love to connect and hear more about your experiences if you're interested in chatting. My email: manisha[at]modulo[dot]app
- gregjor 5y ago
  Yes, thanks. My three children had exactly that kind of experience, along with hundreds of other homeschooled kids in our groups. In Oregon where we lived homeschooled kids can participate in public school sports and other activities too. This tired “homeschooled kids aren’t allowed to socialize” trope comes up over and over from people who can’t possibly have actual experience. It’s not hard to find homeschooler groups to see for yourself.
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by znpy 5y ago

dontcare007 5y ago

We raised five strong,independent intelligent young women without the 'help' of the public school system. They have no problem interacting with everyone from infants to adults.

gregjor 5y ago

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Homeschooling doesn’t mean no social interactions with other children. If anything the opposite is true. Parents who deprive their children of social interaction are called abusive, not homeschoolers.

actfrench 5y ago
Exactly.
- gregjor 5y ago
  You’ll have to do your own research, maybe visit some local homeschooling groups. Read John Holt, Grace Llewelyn, John Taylor Gatto, Ivan Illich to learn more about homeschooling and unschooling. You will find that homeschooled children have active and rich social lives. Of course some parents don’t provide that for their children, but they wouldn’t let their kids socialize in any case. That’s not what homeschooling is about, and it simply isn’t true that homeschooled kids miss out on socializing, friends, peer groups, activities.

actfrench 5y ago

I've actually seen the opposite, that homeschoolers (especially in large urban areas), have a ton of friends. A lot of people think of homeschooling as kid sitting in a kitchen with their parents learning math on a chalkboard. In fact, modern-day homeschoolers tend to be much more out and about in their community. They connect with others in classes led by parents or experts, in big park days where they play on the playground - or explore nature, or in co-ops where parents share skills. In places like Portland and NYC, there are large centers where homeschoolers go to take classes together. Unlike school, they don't have 30 minutes of recess to interact and are in classrooms with mixed ages, they have long periods to play and learn with kids of different ages. Being exposed to older peers is actually quite healthy for growth and development because kids learn by modeling. For example, if an older child knows how to read, it inspires them to learn. I'm doing a study on this right now and finding that homeschoolers are much more satisfied with their social life than parents with kids in public school (and this was true both before the pandemic and now with kids back in school). A large part of this is because they can curate their own social experiences. And homeschooling, unlike school has much less bullying, clicks, etcetera. And the groups are much more diverse and inclusive. Since many of the people who choose to homeschool were having unpleasant social experience in school, they tend to be quite a welcoming community. I really think a lot of this can be attributed to homeschoolers getting to curate their own social experiences as opposed to having this socially engineered for them.

znpy 5y ago
> They connect with others in classes led by parents or experts Then it's not homeschooling. Easy.
- actfrench 5y ago
  Technically, they are legally homeschooling, not in school. In this case, we're dealing with the misnomer problem. I also agree that homeschooling is the wrong word for this type of education. It's more like alloparenting, or what I like to call Modular Learning. https://manisharoses.medium.com/homeschooling-needs-a-new-name-any-ideas-4423f68822c5 https://manisharoses.medium.com/homeschooling-needs-a-new-na...
  - znpy 5y ago
    > Technically, they are legally homeschooling "They're homeschooling, just not at home".
- gregjor 5y ago
  You’re giving a good example of poor social skills and poor reasoning skills. I’m guessing you weren’t homeschooled.
  - actfrench 5y ago
    I don't see how these are poor reasoning skills. If a child is not enrolled in a formal school, their legal category is homeschooling, regardless of whether they are doing that primarily through study in their house with their parent or taking lots of extracurriculars. I guess haters have to hate though:)
    - gregjor 5y ago
      A child not enrolled in school or something equivalent is called truant, and that’s against the law. Every state has rules that define acceptable homeschooling. Keeping children confined at home with no social interaction is not homeschooling even if the parents call it that. It does happen that parents remove their kids from society for various (usually religious) reasons but they are not mainstream homeschoolers. Analogously some people who don’t have regular jobs are criminals, but a lot of them are self-employed, independently wealthy, retired, etc., so you can’t equate no having a job with not working, or engaging in crime.

theandrewbailey 5y ago

I was homeschooled for most of my schooling. Even in a small midwestern town, there were about 50 families from around the county in a local homeschooling group. Thanks to that, there were extra curricular activities and sports programs. I was in a theater class, chess club, spanish, and a programming course. My friends were in a swimming team and debate club. For the reading, writing, and arithmetic classes, there are courses designed for homeschoolers in mind. One course was provided by a college that invited homeschooled students to a "high school" graduation ceremony. The idea that homeschooled kids live under a rock and don't talk to others is false. Some religious nutjob parents might make headlines for doing that, but that is nowhere near the everyday reality of homeschooled kids.

actfrench 5y ago
Exactly. So well put.
- actfrench 5y ago
  Andrew, I'd love to connect and hear more about your experiences if you're interested in chatting. My email: manisha[at]modulo[dot]app
gregjor 5y ago
Yes, thanks. My three children had exactly that kind of experience, along with hundreds of other homeschooled kids in our groups. In Oregon where we lived homeschooled kids can participate in public school sports and other activities too. This tired “homeschooled kids aren’t allowed to socialize” trope comes up over and over from people who can’t possibly have actual experience. It’s not hard to find homeschooler groups to see for yourself.

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