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Fentanyl, P2P meth, and the world being turned upside down all at the same time was really a bad combo.

jfim 5y ago
> P2P meth For those confused by the P2P acronym as I was, it's apparently a synthesis route that was developed in response to the crackdowns on OTC ephedrine products. It's apparently a lot more pure than the older stuff, at least according to https://dynomight.net/p2p-meth/ https://dynomight.net/p2p-meth/
- austinkhale 5y ago
  The Atlantic wrote a really good deep dive piece into the differences recently. Highly recommend reading through it. There are a lot of unknowns about the long term consequences. Anecdotally, people close to me in the mental health industry are really distraught about it. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new-meth/620174/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new...
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  - martinpw 5y ago
    Book by the same author here https://www.amazon.com/Least-Us-Tales-America-Fentanyl/dp/1635574358 https://www.amazon.com/Least-Us-Tales-America-Fentanyl/dp/16... It's a devastating read.
  - refurb 5y ago
    It’s an interesting theory but the meth from the 1970’s was all P2P and we didn’t see the same impact.
    - diogenescynic 5y ago
      It’s cheaper now and way more socially acceptable (decriminalized) to use meth in public (at least in west coast states). My dad was a meth user and only got clean when he was incarcerated. I bet there are thousands who just spiral downward further and further until they just die because now there are no consequences or barriers or repercussions to stop this behavior. Not only that, we incentivize and subsidize drug use in some cities. San Francisco has an “adult” support program that gives homeless people a debit card which they can withdraw cash from. I guarantee 90% of that cash is spent on fentanyl and meth. They give out dozens of needles at a time (once saw one dude with literally 300-500 needles) to drug users but not to diabetics. We have really skewed/inverted our priorities.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    In my opinion that Atlantic article is far from good. Its a scare piece designed to make the public afraid Methamphetamine is methamphetamine and there is no "new meth" It's simply a higher amount of R-meth and less L-meth(the non psychoactive isomer) Don't believe everything you read
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Huh wasn't that a plot point in breaking bad?
  - truffdog 5y ago
    Yup. Apparently some of the broad strokes of the plot are accurate, including the move to industrialized p2p production.
  - black-tusk 5y ago
    Jesse and Walter steal a barrel of methylamine so Jesse no longer has to boost ephedrine across the state. It does not, however make the end product blue
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  Sort of a little case study in how clamping down on precursors just drives producers to change the formula, while making things more difficult for all the legitimate users of the precursor materials.

jfim 5y ago

> P2P meth For those confused by the P2P acronym as I was, it's apparently a synthesis route that was developed in response to the crackdowns on OTC ephedrine products. It's apparently a lot more pure than the older stuff, at least according to https://dynomight.net/p2p-meth/ https://dynomight.net/p2p-meth/

austinkhale 5y ago
The Atlantic wrote a really good deep dive piece into the differences recently. Highly recommend reading through it. There are a lot of unknowns about the long term consequences. Anecdotally, people close to me in the mental health industry are really distraught about it. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new-meth/620174/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new...
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- martinpw 5y ago
  Book by the same author here https://www.amazon.com/Least-Us-Tales-America-Fentanyl/dp/1635574358 https://www.amazon.com/Least-Us-Tales-America-Fentanyl/dp/16... It's a devastating read.
- refurb 5y ago
  It’s an interesting theory but the meth from the 1970’s was all P2P and we didn’t see the same impact.
  - diogenescynic 5y ago
    It’s cheaper now and way more socially acceptable (decriminalized) to use meth in public (at least in west coast states). My dad was a meth user and only got clean when he was incarcerated. I bet there are thousands who just spiral downward further and further until they just die because now there are no consequences or barriers or repercussions to stop this behavior. Not only that, we incentivize and subsidize drug use in some cities. San Francisco has an “adult” support program that gives homeless people a debit card which they can withdraw cash from. I guarantee 90% of that cash is spent on fentanyl and meth. They give out dozens of needles at a time (once saw one dude with literally 300-500 needles) to drug users but not to diabetics. We have really skewed/inverted our priorities.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  In my opinion that Atlantic article is far from good. Its a scare piece designed to make the public afraid Methamphetamine is methamphetamine and there is no "new meth" It's simply a higher amount of R-meth and less L-meth(the non psychoactive isomer) Don't believe everything you read
sudosysgen 5y ago
Huh wasn't that a plot point in breaking bad?
- truffdog 5y ago
  Yup. Apparently some of the broad strokes of the plot are accurate, including the move to industrialized p2p production.
- black-tusk 5y ago
  Jesse and Walter steal a barrel of methylamine so Jesse no longer has to boost ephedrine across the state. It does not, however make the end product blue
throwawayboise 5y ago
Sort of a little case study in how clamping down on precursors just drives producers to change the formula, while making things more difficult for all the legitimate users of the precursor materials.