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Fair point, it may turn negative at some point but we're not there yet. It's a moral panic. We're not talking about war or genocide, we're talking about the you

by slibhb 5y ago

Fair point, it may turn negative at some point but we're not there yet. It's a moral panic. We're not talking about war or genocide, we're talking about the young people staring at their phones too much.

nabla9 5y ago
That's another type of fallacy. If there is no obviously horrific consequences, there is nothing. Either/Or Reasoning. My position is that we don't know yet. Some harms may be transitory and people adult. Making arguments for or against without good data and reasoning is not helping. Making your mind up prematurely makes it harder to change the opinion when the evidence comes in.
- Mezzie 5y ago
  What drives me nuts personally is how nobody is asking the adults that ALREADY grew up online as kids what impact it has. This is hardly the first time we've had a panic about kids on the internet; the first one I remember is the freak out that led to COPPA in the late 90s. At the time, perhaps people could be forgiven for not asking us since we were the first generation of kids who had unrestricted Internet access and we were still kids (nobody wants children's opinions), but now there are plenty of formerly Too Online Children that are adults. If having unrestricted information/internet access at an early age does change your brain, why aren't we comparing people in their 30s who grew up online with people in their 30s who didn't? That would be super interesting, and there are many aspects of growing up online that definitely did change my experience. (E.G. being able to pretend to be an adult and be addressed as an equal based on my ideas online made it very hard to function in the real world where acting like an adult's equal was inappropriate, I had access to information that many adults did not and that caused problems, I had access to information that my local culture considered 'inappropriate' but was acceptable online [information about female puberty is one], etc.) Lots of people deciding what our experiences did to us without asking us.
- slibhb 5y ago
  The author of this article (and you) think one thing. I think another. Calling my thought a "fallacy" because I've made up my mind prematurely makes no sense. You (and the author) have made up your mind too. We can't endlessly defer our opinions, that's epistemic nihilism. To me, this seems like just another old vs. new turf war and I predict it will turn out like the previous ones. "Everything must change for everything to remain the same". I'm not saying "it couldn't possibly" be a problem, I'm describing what I see, like you, and like the article.
  - nabla9 5y ago
    > Calling my thought a "fallacy" because I've made up my mind prematurely makes no sense. Fallacy can be determined by your argument alone. > You (and the author) have made up your mind too. In fact, I'm more inclined to side on you on the issue. One should not accept bad or fallacious arguments just because one has inclination to agree with the result.

by slibhb 5y ago

nabla9 5y ago

That's another type of fallacy. If there is no obviously horrific consequences, there is nothing. Either/Or Reasoning. My position is that we don't know yet. Some harms may be transitory and people adult. Making arguments for or against without good data and reasoning is not helping. Making your mind up prematurely makes it harder to change the opinion when the evidence comes in.

Mezzie 5y ago
What drives me nuts personally is how nobody is asking the adults that ALREADY grew up online as kids what impact it has. This is hardly the first time we've had a panic about kids on the internet; the first one I remember is the freak out that led to COPPA in the late 90s. At the time, perhaps people could be forgiven for not asking us since we were the first generation of kids who had unrestricted Internet access and we were still kids (nobody wants children's opinions), but now there are plenty of formerly Too Online Children that are adults. If having unrestricted information/internet access at an early age does change your brain, why aren't we comparing people in their 30s who grew up online with people in their 30s who didn't? That would be super interesting, and there are many aspects of growing up online that definitely did change my experience. (E.G. being able to pretend to be an adult and be addressed as an equal based on my ideas online made it very hard to function in the real world where acting like an adult's equal was inappropriate, I had access to information that many adults did not and that caused problems, I had access to information that my local culture considered 'inappropriate' but was acceptable online [information about female puberty is one], etc.) Lots of people deciding what our experiences did to us without asking us.
slibhb 5y ago
The author of this article (and you) think one thing. I think another. Calling my thought a "fallacy" because I've made up my mind prematurely makes no sense. You (and the author) have made up your mind too. We can't endlessly defer our opinions, that's epistemic nihilism. To me, this seems like just another old vs. new turf war and I predict it will turn out like the previous ones. "Everything must change for everything to remain the same". I'm not saying "it couldn't possibly" be a problem, I'm describing what I see, like you, and like the article.
- nabla9 5y ago
  > Calling my thought a "fallacy" because I've made up my mind prematurely makes no sense. Fallacy can be determined by your argument alone. > You (and the author) have made up your mind too. In fact, I'm more inclined to side on you on the issue. One should not accept bad or fallacious arguments just because one has inclination to agree with the result.