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Interesting what happens when doctors no longer work for you, but can only work for the government monopoly.

hluska 5y ago
This is only news because doctors resist. They’re doing great.
aaomidi 5y ago
This is an annoying indirection in this discussion. Doctors working for everyone also means they work for the highest bidder. Remember the tabaco industry in the US and the doctors literally advertising it? How about doctors near areas of chemical spills getting $£€¥ from the companies to keep quiet about them? How about the opioid crisis that has killed thousands of Americans? Yeah. So, if you want to bring up a misleading example, at least think of the entire cycle of the "other side" of this. At the end of the day the thing is "interesting what happens when doctors are incentivized with capital and success is measured by how rich you are"
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  You're right, and the worst is that private clinics and practices are allowed in Canada, and they have no interest in getting involved with this.
  - refurb 5y ago
    There are almost no private clinics in Canada
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      That is untrue. There are almost a dozen within 30 minutes of where I live.
      - refurb 5y ago
        Please provide links. Doctors are not able to work in both the public and private systems, they have to choose. There are a few clinics that provide care entirely outside the public system but since the demand is low they are rare beyond MRI clinics in a few provinces. But please, send me links to the dozen of private clinics (dont work in the public system) that are 30 mins of where you live.
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        I'm not going to doxx myself. Demand used to be low, it is increasing steadily due to mismanagement. If you don't trust me, type "private clinic toronto" into Google Maps.
        refurb 5y ago
        I see clinics doing sports medicine, endoscopies and sexual health. Lots of comments about “super expensive”. No hospitals or major research centers that would actually be anywhere near the issues happening in NS.
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        I never said hospitals. I said clinics. Research is not something the private sector wants to do in this domain, because it's not profitable. If all you saw was endoscopies and sports health, you weren't looking. There are tons of generalist clinics.
        refurb 5y ago
        What kind of community clinic would see this? The "whistleblower" in this article is a member of the health authority. You expect a generalist seeing rich people for their arthritis to be diving into this?
        sudosysgen 5y ago
    - mattkrause 5y ago
      I doubt that's true, and for what its' worth, health care is run by the individual provinces, not the federal government. At any rate, there are a bunch in Montreal. Here's one: https://www.rocklandmd.com/en/medical-clinic.html https://www.rocklandmd.com/en/medical-clinic.html Here's another: https://cliniquesmedicaleslacroix.com/en/ https://cliniquesmedicaleslacroix.com/en/ You can certainly find more by searching for "[Canadian Place Name] private clinic" Heck, here's a news article about the Quebec government outsourcing some work to private clinics to clear COVID-related backlogs. For there to be $100M worth of contracts, there must be a decent number of clinics. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/private-clinics-quebec-surgery-backlog-1.5902260 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/private-clinics-queb...
sudosysgen 5y ago
Private clinics and practices exist in large numbers in Canada. Apparently, they aren't interested in helping.
- tomohawk 5y ago
  Private clinics in Canada are not allowed to provide services provided by the government system. http://canadian-healthcare.org/page6.html http://canadian-healthcare.org/page6.html
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Nope, that is incorrect. They are allowed to provide services that aren't specifically outlawed. Duplicate care is allowed. For example, from your link: > For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic.

This is only news because doctors resist. They’re doing great.

This is an annoying indirection in this discussion. Doctors working for everyone also means they work for the highest bidder. Remember the tabaco industry in the US and the doctors literally advertising it? How about doctors near areas of chemical spills getting $£€¥ from the companies to keep quiet about them? How about the opioid crisis that has killed thousands of Americans? Yeah. So, if you want to bring up a misleading example, at least think of the entire cycle of the "other side" of this. At the end of the day the thing is "interesting what happens when doctors are incentivized with capital and success is measured by how rich you are"

sudosysgen 5y ago
You're right, and the worst is that private clinics and practices are allowed in Canada, and they have no interest in getting involved with this.
- refurb 5y ago
  There are almost no private clinics in Canada
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    That is untrue. There are almost a dozen within 30 minutes of where I live.
    - refurb 5y ago
      Please provide links. Doctors are not able to work in both the public and private systems, they have to choose. There are a few clinics that provide care entirely outside the public system but since the demand is low they are rare beyond MRI clinics in a few provinces. But please, send me links to the dozen of private clinics (dont work in the public system) that are 30 mins of where you live.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        I'm not going to doxx myself. Demand used to be low, it is increasing steadily due to mismanagement. If you don't trust me, type "private clinic toronto" into Google Maps.
        refurb 5y ago
        I see clinics doing sports medicine, endoscopies and sexual health. Lots of comments about “super expensive”. No hospitals or major research centers that would actually be anywhere near the issues happening in NS.
        sudosysgen 5y ago
        I never said hospitals. I said clinics. Research is not something the private sector wants to do in this domain, because it's not profitable. If all you saw was endoscopies and sports health, you weren't looking. There are tons of generalist clinics.
        refurb 5y ago
        What kind of community clinic would see this? The "whistleblower" in this article is a member of the health authority. You expect a generalist seeing rich people for their arthritis to be diving into this?
        sudosysgen 5y ago
  - mattkrause 5y ago
    I doubt that's true, and for what its' worth, health care is run by the individual provinces, not the federal government. At any rate, there are a bunch in Montreal. Here's one: https://www.rocklandmd.com/en/medical-clinic.html https://www.rocklandmd.com/en/medical-clinic.html Here's another: https://cliniquesmedicaleslacroix.com/en/ https://cliniquesmedicaleslacroix.com/en/ You can certainly find more by searching for "[Canadian Place Name] private clinic" Heck, here's a news article about the Quebec government outsourcing some work to private clinics to clear COVID-related backlogs. For there to be $100M worth of contracts, there must be a decent number of clinics. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/private-clinics-quebec-surgery-backlog-1.5902260 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/private-clinics-queb...

sudosysgen 5y ago

Private clinics and practices exist in large numbers in Canada. Apparently, they aren't interested in helping.

tomohawk 5y ago
Private clinics in Canada are not allowed to provide services provided by the government system. http://canadian-healthcare.org/page6.html http://canadian-healthcare.org/page6.html
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Nope, that is incorrect. They are allowed to provide services that aren't specifically outlawed. Duplicate care is allowed. For example, from your link: > For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic.