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No. The right response is to have two modes: on or off. A user shouldn't have to understand the difference between blank screen, sleep, hibernate and shut down.

by rhplus 15y ago

No. The right response is to have two modes: on or off. A user shouldn't have to understand the difference between blank screen, sleep, hibernate and shut down. The iPad can do it, smartphones can do it. A user just wants to turn it 'off' when not in use and only very occasionally should have to turn it /off/ off.

wvenable 15y ago
If you read the article, most users don't like sleep mode (which is what iPads and smartphones do). When they start up, they want a clean boot. I'm one of those people, I shut off my computer every night and have it auto-start on a timer in the morning.
- rhplus 15y ago
  Sure, I read the article and I get that, but those are user expectations based on existing Windows PC behavior. In a 'post-PC' world, computer devices don't behave like that. Users will come to expect instant 'on' and only one possible 'off' state once they realize that their $300 Android tablet can get to their email instantly, yet their super fast expensive laptop can't.
  - sid0 15y ago
    But all that exists today with sleep mode, yet apparently a large number of people don't use it.
    - johnyzee 15y ago
      That is his point. Most people don't want to know about "sleep", "hibernate", "standby" etc. The device should not need to bother the user with that choice.
      - sid0 15y ago
        The device doesn't really bother the user with that choice. All the user needs to do is close the laptop's lid or hit the power button and the device would go to sleep (by default). Every time a shutdown happens it means the user's going out of the way to make that choice.
- bluedanieru 15y ago
  Don't conflate notebook and desktop PCs here though. Most notebooks seem to have little trouble with sleep/hibernate but I've never owned a desktop PC where the fucking ACPI worked like it is supposed to. As a result I always turn off sleep and hibernate and avoid the frustration.
  - wvenable 15y ago
    I've been setting up other people's PC to sleep and I've had a problem with it. It's 2011, ACPI works now.

by rhplus 15y ago

wvenable 15y ago

If you read the article, most users don't like sleep mode (which is what iPads and smartphones do). When they start up, they want a clean boot. I'm one of those people, I shut off my computer every night and have it auto-start on a timer in the morning.

rhplus 15y ago
Sure, I read the article and I get that, but those are user expectations based on existing Windows PC behavior. In a 'post-PC' world, computer devices don't behave like that. Users will come to expect instant 'on' and only one possible 'off' state once they realize that their $300 Android tablet can get to their email instantly, yet their super fast expensive laptop can't.
- sid0 15y ago
  But all that exists today with sleep mode, yet apparently a large number of people don't use it.
  - johnyzee 15y ago
    That is his point. Most people don't want to know about "sleep", "hibernate", "standby" etc. The device should not need to bother the user with that choice.
    - sid0 15y ago
      The device doesn't really bother the user with that choice. All the user needs to do is close the laptop's lid or hit the power button and the device would go to sleep (by default). Every time a shutdown happens it means the user's going out of the way to make that choice.
bluedanieru 15y ago
Don't conflate notebook and desktop PCs here though. Most notebooks seem to have little trouble with sleep/hibernate but I've never owned a desktop PC where the fucking ACPI worked like it is supposed to. As a result I always turn off sleep and hibernate and avoid the frustration.
- wvenable 15y ago
  I've been setting up other people's PC to sleep and I've had a problem with it. It's 2011, ACPI works now.