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> local noobs What's that supposed to mean? UAE doesn't have a high local population to begin with. Majority of people living there are expats. And among that

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> local noobs What's that supposed to mean? UAE doesn't have a high local population to begin with. Majority of people living there are expats. And among that low population only a few choose to become pilots. You know, from the rest of the world American pilots flying in America also look like "local noobs". Let's wait until the relevant authorities release their final report. Maybe those particular pilots are questionable, but I don't think it's fair to blame the entire carrier. Emirates is very responsible and it's definitely in their interests to run a safe airline. ---- (I'm probably going to get flagged but I don't care) I've seen it again and again in HN. Whenever something goes wrong in Asia or Africa everyone's like "the noobs over the don't know what they're doing".

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> I've seen it again and again in HN. I can't speak to other cases you've seen. > "the noobs over the don't know what they're doing". I've heard from 3 different pilots from three different ME airlines, that the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit that expats would get fired in an instant for. There are two or three pilots in every cockpit. If two or three pilots miss something that checklists should have picked up, that suggests it's not the individuals, but the airline and it's processes that are at fault.
- 2143 5y ago
  > I've heard from 3 different pilots from three different ME airlines Oh really????? I find that hard to believe. Anyway, I'll assume you aren't lying. If you have conclusive evidence, why don't you do us all a favour and give it to the FAA and try to ensure those middle eastern airlines stay grounded or atleast out of American skies? (If you aren't from America, do the above with the aviation authority in your country, and maybe FAA as well anyway) If you're gonna say FAA is in the arabs' payroll and the whole system is rigged, then you're screwed regardless of whether the ME "local noobs" are bad. > that suggests it's not the individuals, but the airline and it's processes that are at fault No it does not necessarily. If this kind of incident regularly happens, then yes the entire airline might be flawed. But at this point there is no evidence to believe so. > the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit First up, why don't you ask your ME pilot friends the ratio of local and expat pilots in those airlines? What makes you think the local pilots there are into "bullshit"? Those middle eastern airlines aren't any worse than any other major airline from anywhere else. If you can prove otherwise, contact FAA.

by 2143 5y ago

markdown 5y ago

> I've seen it again and again in HN. I can't speak to other cases you've seen. > "the noobs over the don't know what they're doing". I've heard from 3 different pilots from three different ME airlines, that the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit that expats would get fired in an instant for. There are two or three pilots in every cockpit. If two or three pilots miss something that checklists should have picked up, that suggests it's not the individuals, but the airline and it's processes that are at fault.

2143 5y ago
> I've heard from 3 different pilots from three different ME airlines Oh really????? I find that hard to believe. Anyway, I'll assume you aren't lying. If you have conclusive evidence, why don't you do us all a favour and give it to the FAA and try to ensure those middle eastern airlines stay grounded or atleast out of American skies? (If you aren't from America, do the above with the aviation authority in your country, and maybe FAA as well anyway) If you're gonna say FAA is in the arabs' payroll and the whole system is rigged, then you're screwed regardless of whether the ME "local noobs" are bad. > that suggests it's not the individuals, but the airline and it's processes that are at fault No it does not necessarily. If this kind of incident regularly happens, then yes the entire airline might be flawed. But at this point there is no evidence to believe so. > the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit First up, why don't you ask your ME pilot friends the ratio of local and expat pilots in those airlines? What makes you think the local pilots there are into "bullshit"? Those middle eastern airlines aren't any worse than any other major airline from anywhere else. If you can prove otherwise, contact FAA.