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I'm not for or against, I just find it strange that stuff that already has a name (like blockchain, crypto, etc.) somehow needs another name or some new kind of

I'm not for or against, I just find it strange that stuff that already has a name (like blockchain, crypto, etc.) somehow needs another name or some new kind of umbrella name. I'm not for or against, because it's unclear what there is to be for or against. Web3 is nothing but an echo chamber. A very empty echo chamber, so it echoes pretty nice. I'm back to the world wide web. I've been designing and programming for the web and internet for a long time now, and I took one break of a couple of years in between. When I came back there suddenly was this 'cloud' thing. I kept looking for answers. What is this? What's new? And although I found snippets here and there that made sense (it was basically infrastructure based, I found), it took me years eventually to really realize it was nothing more than the internet I already knew, but then decorated with marketing speak and buzz words. I'm not opposed to new things, not even to new names, but I can sniff a name without meaning from miles away now. It looks like when big money is ready for the internet the whole thing needs a new name, the same now with blockchain, etc. So I find it kind of funny I guess, hearing the proponents and opponents of Web3 speak.

ur-whale 5y ago
> I just find it strange that stuff that already has a name This is called marketing. Entire industries depend on it or even simply exist because of it. For a closer to home example, see Free Software (which scared businesses away because it had the word "free" in it) vs. Open Source (which made folks understand they could escape things like vendor lock-in)
- rambambram 5y ago
  No, it's not. With marketing it's more clear where the message is coming from. With marketing it's more clear what the message itself even is. This is way more sinister, it's wordplay on a bigger level. Maybe call it public relations. Your examples miss my point. Your examples are clear enough and have an understandable meaning (once you know what it is). I stick with my comparison of 'the cloud' and 'web3', because they both were names before getting any significant meaning.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    Before the web, we used the word "cloud" when discussing networking. It's been hijacked. We used to draw cloud-shaped bubbles in network diagrams, with the label "X25".
9dev 5y ago
I understand where you're coming from, but the essence of the entire "cloud" thing, to me, was that the underlying infrastructure disappeared. We went from managing root servers, or VPS maybe, to transparently scaling resources. Using "the cloud" means switching to application-based hosting, where the hardware below doesn't matter anymore, and that's a pretty significant change to me. I don't have to manage the SSH daemon config anymore, instead I push Docker images into a registry. Of course below all that it's still the same technology we had before, but it's evolved quite a bit, and I actually appreciate that change.

ur-whale 5y ago

> I just find it strange that stuff that already has a name This is called marketing. Entire industries depend on it or even simply exist because of it. For a closer to home example, see Free Software (which scared businesses away because it had the word "free" in it) vs. Open Source (which made folks understand they could escape things like vendor lock-in)

rambambram 5y ago
No, it's not. With marketing it's more clear where the message is coming from. With marketing it's more clear what the message itself even is. This is way more sinister, it's wordplay on a bigger level. Maybe call it public relations. Your examples miss my point. Your examples are clear enough and have an understandable meaning (once you know what it is). I stick with my comparison of 'the cloud' and 'web3', because they both were names before getting any significant meaning.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  Before the web, we used the word "cloud" when discussing networking. It's been hijacked. We used to draw cloud-shaped bubbles in network diagrams, with the label "X25".

9dev 5y ago

I understand where you're coming from, but the essence of the entire "cloud" thing, to me, was that the underlying infrastructure disappeared. We went from managing root servers, or VPS maybe, to transparently scaling resources. Using "the cloud" means switching to application-based hosting, where the hardware below doesn't matter anymore, and that's a pretty significant change to me. I don't have to manage the SSH daemon config anymore, instead I push Docker images into a registry. Of course below all that it's still the same technology we had before, but it's evolved quite a bit, and I actually appreciate that change.