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Web3 is a highly ambigious term so there's no point discussing whether it's decentralized - it simply depends on what system you are referring to. For the sake
by disruptalot 5y ago
Web3 is a highly ambigious term so there's no point discussing whether it's decentralized - it simply depends on what system you are referring to.
For the sake of simplicity we stick to the authors main claim. That Ethereum is centralized.
> while anyone can join the Ethereum or Bitcoin network, you can only join if you agree to follow the same protocol
In which other protocol is this not the case? Can you communicate with a web page without using the protocol that it required?
Furthermore, as blockchain protocols are all open source, they allow their network rules and data to be easily forked and run. This is not at all dissimilar to an example provided further that explains that anyone can run their own web network.
> Ethereum is only decentralized in the way that doesn't matter — you're free to join the decentralized system, under the condition that you act in the exact same way as every other actor in that system.
The opposite in fact. The author misses that Ethereum allows anyone to encode their own protocol into the network. Blockchain nodes, simply enforce that those rules are being adhered to by the participants. This is perhaps the only way that matters for what etheruem wants to do. Blockchains are not websites, their purpose is not to serve you data. The purpose is, given a pre existing set of rules - which anyone can code permanently into the blockchain, clients understand exactly in what way those states can transition, and are capable of executing the state transaction as equally as all other peers.
Let's take a practical example. Say you want to publish torrent links. I hope I don't need to explain why dencetralisation matters and what propoerties you are looking for. If someone encodes a smart contract on Ethereum that allows anyone to submit a name, along with a torrent link but not able to delete it. In the Ethereum world, this protocol lives forever more. On the traditional web world, you will:
- Have ISP, hosting provider take your website down
- The web owner may decide to arbitrarily take down specific torrents or the application as a whole
This is where decentralisation matters and what it means.
- captn3m0 5y agoI’m very much interested in finding out the answer the “blockchain vs the DMCA” question. A node operator serving any copyright content (irrespective of it being served over HTTP or a DLT) is liable. What happens when Disney starts suing node operators? Your ISP still gets a notice right?
- lukeramsden 5y agoHow does DMCA handle steganography? For example, you could post hex-encoded bytes of a copyrighted image in a Facebook post - obviously a trivial example, but with a minor amount of effort and some more obtuse encoding it would be nigh-on impossible to tell otherwise. This is exactly what it looks like when putting copyrighted content on blockchains like on Ethereum. It's also _prohibitively_ expensive to store data on even alternative L1 chains.
- mattwilsonn888 5y agoThat's a compelling argument against a certain type of concern trolling I will forever more be ignoring, but what about the instance of node sabotage by uploading such data? What is the network to do to safe-guard itself from being forced to break laws?