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Tesla is like an ‘iPhone on wheels.’ And consumers are locked into its ecosystem

18 points by mgh2 5y ago

clouddrover 5y ago
> Tesla and Musk have said they want their technology to be embraced by other players in the industry. They have promoted open-source software and criticized the overuse of patents, and Musk has even said Tesla’s Superchargers are “being made accessible to other electric cars,” though it’s unclear whether any agreements are actually in place. There don't need to be any special agreements in Europe because Tesla uses the CCS type 2 Combo plug. Teslas can charge on all charging networks with no adapters and, correspondingly, Tesla can easily open their chargers to all makes of EV. So far, only 10 Tesla charging locations in the Netherlands have been opened to all EVs: https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/1/22757159/tesla-supercharge-ev-pilot-netherlands https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/1/22757159/tesla-supercharg... The EV market in the US is much smaller than the EV markets in Europe and China: https://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/ https://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehic... The two main reasons why are the stricter fleet emissions standards and the superior infrastructure standardization in Europe and China. Hopefully North America will be able to standardize EV plugs soon. All other EV manufacturers have switched to CCS type 1 Combo for passenger cars in North America. What remains is for Tesla to do the same.
- jameshilliard 5y ago
  > They have promoted open-source software This is without contributing upstream or even being GPL compliant(they release incomplete source code) for the projects they base their firmware off of(like buildroot). Starlink which also uses buildroot doesn't seem to bother to release any of the GPL source however for buildroot at least.
ncmncm 5y ago
Apple really should have bought Tesla back when they still could. Then there would have been only one company I will never buy equipment from.
- mgh2 5y ago
  Why would you not buy equipment from Apple?
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Because it can never, in any circumstance, be made to do what I want to do. It does only what Apple thinks I ought to want. It costs more and does less. The most characteristic experience of Apple users is deciding that they can learn to live without whichever feature was eliminated in the last update.

18 points by mgh2 5y ago

> Tesla and Musk have said they want their technology to be embraced by other players in the industry. They have promoted open-source software and criticized the overuse of patents, and Musk has even said Tesla’s Superchargers are “being made accessible to other electric cars,” though it’s unclear whether any agreements are actually in place. There don't need to be any special agreements in Europe because Tesla uses the CCS type 2 Combo plug. Teslas can charge on all charging networks with no adapters and, correspondingly, Tesla can easily open their chargers to all makes of EV. So far, only 10 Tesla charging locations in the Netherlands have been opened to all EVs: https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/1/22757159/tesla-supercharge-ev-pilot-netherlands https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/1/22757159/tesla-supercharg... The EV market in the US is much smaller than the EV markets in Europe and China: https://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehicle-volumes/ https://www.ev-volumes.com/country/total-world-plug-in-vehic... The two main reasons why are the stricter fleet emissions standards and the superior infrastructure standardization in Europe and China. Hopefully North America will be able to standardize EV plugs soon. All other EV manufacturers have switched to CCS type 1 Combo for passenger cars in North America. What remains is for Tesla to do the same.

jameshilliard 5y ago
> They have promoted open-source software This is without contributing upstream or even being GPL compliant(they release incomplete source code) for the projects they base their firmware off of(like buildroot). Starlink which also uses buildroot doesn't seem to bother to release any of the GPL source however for buildroot at least.

ncmncm 5y ago

Apple really should have bought Tesla back when they still could. Then there would have been only one company I will never buy equipment from.

mgh2 5y ago
Why would you not buy equipment from Apple?
- ncmncm 5y ago
  Because it can never, in any circumstance, be made to do what I want to do. It does only what Apple thinks I ought to want. It costs more and does less. The most characteristic experience of Apple users is deciding that they can learn to live without whichever feature was eliminated in the last update.