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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm “During December 2020–July 2021, COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality than did unvaccinated persons after adjusting for age, sex, race and ethnicity, and study site.”

ralph84 5y ago
But not adjusted for overall health. This seems to be the same thing we see with flu vaccines where the vaccination rate is higher in healthy people. Otherwise what's the mechanism of action that would cause covid vaccines to decrease non-covid mortality?
- yardstick 5y ago
  Maybe those eligible for vaccinations at the time, and chose to get vaccinated, were more cautious overall about their health than anti-vaxxers who were also eligible but didn’t take up the vaccine?
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    My hunch is that if you compare education levels and health/mortality causes you'll also get a correlation, and there's also one between education and voting preferences. Sadly a lot of pro/anti-vaccination is political-tribalism. In my view if you're skeptical of government (a problem not unique to USA), you're more likely to distrust the vaccination push, grasping at any conspiracy theory about why there's more to it than the government acting in your interest. So cause and effect are really flipped, for most people - they think cause: govt pushing the evil vaccine, effect: they distrust the govt, but in (my perceived) reality, cause: they distrust govt, effect: they think the vaccine push is evil and has ulterior motives. And sure if you're vax-skeptical you can cite all the bad side effects and deaths, but I think the numbers speak for themselves, hundreds of millions vaccinated and there hasn't been tens of thousands of deaths; the vaccines are safe! Of course those who distrust governments can claim the numbers are being fudged...
throwaway55421 5y ago
This seems intuitively obvious to me. You're selecting for people who care less about health at all costs. Different group, but I'd expect anti-lockdown/restriction people to have higher non-covid mortality as well. I'll probably die on some old arse biplane in the Siberian outback. Or maybe a brand new STI. Beats plugging myself into Meta.

ralph84 5y ago

But not adjusted for overall health. This seems to be the same thing we see with flu vaccines where the vaccination rate is higher in healthy people. Otherwise what's the mechanism of action that would cause covid vaccines to decrease non-covid mortality?

yardstick 5y ago
Maybe those eligible for vaccinations at the time, and chose to get vaccinated, were more cautious overall about their health than anti-vaxxers who were also eligible but didn’t take up the vaccine?
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  My hunch is that if you compare education levels and health/mortality causes you'll also get a correlation, and there's also one between education and voting preferences. Sadly a lot of pro/anti-vaccination is political-tribalism. In my view if you're skeptical of government (a problem not unique to USA), you're more likely to distrust the vaccination push, grasping at any conspiracy theory about why there's more to it than the government acting in your interest. So cause and effect are really flipped, for most people - they think cause: govt pushing the evil vaccine, effect: they distrust the govt, but in (my perceived) reality, cause: they distrust govt, effect: they think the vaccine push is evil and has ulterior motives. And sure if you're vax-skeptical you can cite all the bad side effects and deaths, but I think the numbers speak for themselves, hundreds of millions vaccinated and there hasn't been tens of thousands of deaths; the vaccines are safe! Of course those who distrust governments can claim the numbers are being fudged...

throwaway55421 5y ago

This seems intuitively obvious to me. You're selecting for people who care less about health at all costs. Different group, but I'd expect anti-lockdown/restriction people to have higher non-covid mortality as well. I'll probably die on some old arse biplane in the Siberian outback. Or maybe a brand new STI. Beats plugging myself into Meta.