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I mean no, I don't have a list with more than 500 sources for you, so if this one is insufficiently exhaustive then I guess we are at an impasse

pphysch 5y ago
If you are acting in good faith, it should be easy for you to produce an example of primary evidence I requested from your Wikipedia page.
- chillage 5y ago
  If you are genuinely interested you can look through that page yourself to see if you can find evidence matching your stringent criteria :) I am not able to read your mind to guess what you’ll find convincing and am sure you can do your own research provided the starting point. In any case, have a wonderful day!
  - pphysch 5y ago
    Nice deflection. Let me know when those WMDs show up.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  I can't believe I'm replying to you it's so pointless but I can't help myself. There are tons of sources showing that the facilities you can see plainly in satellites are internment centers. And schools which you can see barbed wire etc. BUT how about looking at the opposite. What you can see erased. One can view a cultural genocide from the air plain as day. The erasure of Uighyer cultural and religious spaces. Just a couple sources below. Let me save you your reply, that's fake or some US government plot planted BS, that's not a primary source (even though the articles give the primary), etc. I read through your profile and I'm pretty surprised by the huge volume of consistent comments so I guess good for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-evidence-of-chinas-mission-to-raze-the-mosques-of-xinjiang https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-e... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/25/world/asia/xinjiang-china-religious-site.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/25/world/asia/xi... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-evidence-of-chinas-mission-to-raze-the-mosques-of-xinjiang https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-e...
  - pphysch 5y ago
    I specifically asked you to not rely on grainy satellite image speculation, yet you proceed to rely on grainy satellite image speculation. There are countless reasons why a building might be there one day and look differently a while later. Renovation, relocation, temporary decoration, disaster, weather, different time of day/year, different camera, different postprocessing, etc. Maybe a mosque even was used as a training site for violent extremists and was transformed/demolished for that reason. Maybe one photo is doctored. Maybe PRC is populated and ruled by comic book villains that do Wicked Evil Stuff for no discernable reason. Scrutiny is required. Yet ideologues act as if "genocide" is the only possible answer. Unspeakably deranged. Ironically, this propaganda campaign makes it easy to understand how Nazi Germany could get to the point of industrial genocide. Because it turns out the people are eager to believe deranged, racist, hateful conspiracy theories about the "enemy", in this case the Chinese Communists, as long as the mass media plays along. On an unrelated note, anti-Asian hate crimes are way up in America. Little Eichmanns.
    - dillondoyle 5y ago
      if you clicked the links there are also on the ground photos. i believe scrutiny is required when reading anything you write on this site, based on this and past comments.
      - pphysch 5y ago
        You don't have an argument, so you resort to ad hominem (which is against HN rules). Incredible. Happy new year.
        chillage 5y ago
        Yeah dude some of the linked satellite photos are pretty clear even for a layperson and as OP says there are direct on the ground photos as well. The investigative group Bellingcat also has a pretty good history of journalism, I'd suggest you check out their background and works. For additional info, there are multiple books written on the topic as well, ex: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5968247-dragon-fighter https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5968247-dragon-fighter https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8137115-the-uyghurs https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8137115-the-uyghurs https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57894290-menace https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57894290-menace You can find many more if you do a Google search

pphysch 5y ago

If you are acting in good faith, it should be easy for you to produce an example of primary evidence I requested from your Wikipedia page.

chillage 5y ago
If you are genuinely interested you can look through that page yourself to see if you can find evidence matching your stringent criteria :) I am not able to read your mind to guess what you’ll find convincing and am sure you can do your own research provided the starting point. In any case, have a wonderful day!
- pphysch 5y ago
  Nice deflection. Let me know when those WMDs show up.
dillondoyle 5y ago
I can't believe I'm replying to you it's so pointless but I can't help myself. There are tons of sources showing that the facilities you can see plainly in satellites are internment centers. And schools which you can see barbed wire etc. BUT how about looking at the opposite. What you can see erased. One can view a cultural genocide from the air plain as day. The erasure of Uighyer cultural and religious spaces. Just a couple sources below. Let me save you your reply, that's fake or some US government plot planted BS, that's not a primary source (even though the articles give the primary), etc. I read through your profile and I'm pretty surprised by the huge volume of consistent comments so I guess good for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-evidence-of-chinas-mission-to-raze-the-mosques-of-xinjiang https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-e... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/25/world/asia/xinjiang-china-religious-site.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/25/world/asia/xi... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-evidence-of-chinas-mission-to-raze-the-mosques-of-xinjiang https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/07/revealed-new-e...
- pphysch 5y ago
  I specifically asked you to not rely on grainy satellite image speculation, yet you proceed to rely on grainy satellite image speculation. There are countless reasons why a building might be there one day and look differently a while later. Renovation, relocation, temporary decoration, disaster, weather, different time of day/year, different camera, different postprocessing, etc. Maybe a mosque even was used as a training site for violent extremists and was transformed/demolished for that reason. Maybe one photo is doctored. Maybe PRC is populated and ruled by comic book villains that do Wicked Evil Stuff for no discernable reason. Scrutiny is required. Yet ideologues act as if "genocide" is the only possible answer. Unspeakably deranged. Ironically, this propaganda campaign makes it easy to understand how Nazi Germany could get to the point of industrial genocide. Because it turns out the people are eager to believe deranged, racist, hateful conspiracy theories about the "enemy", in this case the Chinese Communists, as long as the mass media plays along. On an unrelated note, anti-Asian hate crimes are way up in America. Little Eichmanns.
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    if you clicked the links there are also on the ground photos. i believe scrutiny is required when reading anything you write on this site, based on this and past comments.
    - pphysch 5y ago
      You don't have an argument, so you resort to ad hominem (which is against HN rules). Incredible. Happy new year.
      - chillage 5y ago
        Yeah dude some of the linked satellite photos are pretty clear even for a layperson and as OP says there are direct on the ground photos as well. The investigative group Bellingcat also has a pretty good history of journalism, I'd suggest you check out their background and works. For additional info, there are multiple books written on the topic as well, ex: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5968247-dragon-fighter https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5968247-dragon-fighter https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8137115-the-uyghurs https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8137115-the-uyghurs https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57894290-menace https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57894290-menace You can find many more if you do a Google search