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This is a third party mod. You shouldn't need a third party mod to get the main gameplay experience. Note that Dwarf Fortress is not open source.

wongarsu 5y ago
> You shouldn't need a third party mod to get the main gameplay experience. Why? As long as everyone is aware of the mod, what is the practical difference? Note that dwarf fortress is free as in beer
- ethbr0 5y ago
  Also, isn't everything in Therapist already available via ingame menus, just less conveniently?
  - db48x 5y ago
    Yes, aside from a few problems (like exposing a character’s real identity, when the game only wants to show the player their assumed identity). Also, Dwarf Therapist can make some complex deductions from the available data that aren’t shown in the game, such as showing which dwarves would be good for particular jobs by considering their stats, traits, skills, and preferences.
eru 5y ago
What form of "shouldn't" are you using here? "Shouldn't" as in: the developers of dwarf fortress should be ashamed? Or "shouldn't" as in: the guy who uses mods is not purist enough? Or something else? Since dwarf fortress is free as in beer, I wouldn't complain too much. I've played dwarf fortress a bit about a decade or so ago, and had fun. But I didn't stick with it. For me, the main benefit was in all the other games, like RimWorld, that dwarf fortress inspired.
- AndyKelley 5y ago
  "shouldn't" as in the game is obviously lacking an important component, if the essential game experience requires a mod made by a different party than the actual game developer. It's not officially endorsed by the creator of the game. It's not mentioned on the download page or the "links" page. The game is clearly missing something - a gap is being filled by Dwarf Therapist, and it would be a better game, accessible to more people, if the game just had a better UX built-in. I'm not saying something whacky. The dev team has the exact same opinion as me and that's why they're putting a bunch of effort into the UX for the steam version.
  - alophawen 5y ago
  - eru 5y ago
    Thanks for explaining. That seems reasonable.
ant6n 5y ago
Just.. get good.

wongarsu 5y ago

> You shouldn't need a third party mod to get the main gameplay experience. Why? As long as everyone is aware of the mod, what is the practical difference? Note that dwarf fortress is free as in beer

ethbr0 5y ago
Also, isn't everything in Therapist already available via ingame menus, just less conveniently?
- db48x 5y ago
  Yes, aside from a few problems (like exposing a character’s real identity, when the game only wants to show the player their assumed identity). Also, Dwarf Therapist can make some complex deductions from the available data that aren’t shown in the game, such as showing which dwarves would be good for particular jobs by considering their stats, traits, skills, and preferences.

eru 5y ago

What form of "shouldn't" are you using here? "Shouldn't" as in: the developers of dwarf fortress should be ashamed? Or "shouldn't" as in: the guy who uses mods is not purist enough? Or something else? Since dwarf fortress is free as in beer, I wouldn't complain too much. I've played dwarf fortress a bit about a decade or so ago, and had fun. But I didn't stick with it. For me, the main benefit was in all the other games, like RimWorld, that dwarf fortress inspired.

AndyKelley 5y ago
"shouldn't" as in the game is obviously lacking an important component, if the essential game experience requires a mod made by a different party than the actual game developer. It's not officially endorsed by the creator of the game. It's not mentioned on the download page or the "links" page. The game is clearly missing something - a gap is being filled by Dwarf Therapist, and it would be a better game, accessible to more people, if the game just had a better UX built-in. I'm not saying something whacky. The dev team has the exact same opinion as me and that's why they're putting a bunch of effort into the UX for the steam version.
- alophawen 5y ago
- eru 5y ago
  Thanks for explaining. That seems reasonable.

ant6n 5y ago

Just.. get good.