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I would take anything the US mil claimed with a large grain of sodium chloride. There has been an extensive history of them and their affiliated contractors lyi

I would take anything the US mil claimed with a large grain of sodium chloride. There has been an extensive history of them and their affiliated contractors lying to personnel and civilians: agent orange, ddt, pcbs, gulf war syndrome/pesticides/sarin/mustard gas, radium, and so on. You have to know your actual average, peak, and total dosages to be able to compare it with everyday civie life. Regarding pesticides: the US has a major problem with gross under-regulation of chemicals in nearly every context. This stems from TSCA 1964 grandfathering-in 10k's of chemicals without evidence of safety, a guiding principle of "assume safe until proven otherwise because profits", and ignoring safety data and conservative exposure standards set in the rest of the industrialized world. Edit: My father worked on the flight line of a US military base in Vietnam. He was exposed to agent orange, unburnt napalm, and jet fuel many times. He suffered from the rare adult-onset type I diabetes for most of his life and experienced several kinds of cancers.

Spooky23 5y ago
> Regarding pesticides: the US has a major problem with gross under-regulation of chemicals in nearly every context. There’s other weird corners to pesticides. I found myself helping somebody with a .gov contract that required computing equipment to be sanitized and cleaned with a manufacturer recommended method that is a listed pesticide. Problem: most manufacturers recommend isopropyl alcohol for this purpose, and it’s one of those grandfathered in chemicals, and isn’t “listed” as a pesticide. Solution: We found a company that made cleaning supplies for industrial processes, and they had a specific formulation of isopropyl alcohol wipes listed as a pesticide. (For a price nearly 20x more than normal products) It’s a silly story but illustrates how nuts this stuff is. Just with something silly like sanitizing wipes, people are using proprietary “quats” with serious potential health impacts where something as simple as alcohol could easily do the job.
- sizzle 5y ago
  Any idea how carcinogenic Lysol wipes are from exposing them to your hands everyday from sanitizing surfaces? The chemical is really unique sounding.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    Honestly, I don’t know, but the MSDS sheets all call for users of wipes that use quats to wear gloves or wash hands immediately. Also, they are not to be used on food surfaces. When I was stuck researching this topic, I spoke to a few academics… their recommendations were always cautious around quat products, and usually peroxide was the “wipe of choice” if it was ok for the use case. (Ie you cannot use peroxide on computers, keyboards, etc.)
    - sizzle 5y ago
      Thanks, gonna get some peroxide!
  - errcorrectcode 5y ago
    Not smart. It says right on the bottle that it's not made for skin contact. Check the ingredients (if they're all listed) and see if there's safety data for them all.

Spooky23 5y ago

> Regarding pesticides: the US has a major problem with gross under-regulation of chemicals in nearly every context. There’s other weird corners to pesticides. I found myself helping somebody with a .gov contract that required computing equipment to be sanitized and cleaned with a manufacturer recommended method that is a listed pesticide. Problem: most manufacturers recommend isopropyl alcohol for this purpose, and it’s one of those grandfathered in chemicals, and isn’t “listed” as a pesticide. Solution: We found a company that made cleaning supplies for industrial processes, and they had a specific formulation of isopropyl alcohol wipes listed as a pesticide. (For a price nearly 20x more than normal products) It’s a silly story but illustrates how nuts this stuff is. Just with something silly like sanitizing wipes, people are using proprietary “quats” with serious potential health impacts where something as simple as alcohol could easily do the job.

sizzle 5y ago
Any idea how carcinogenic Lysol wipes are from exposing them to your hands everyday from sanitizing surfaces? The chemical is really unique sounding.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Honestly, I don’t know, but the MSDS sheets all call for users of wipes that use quats to wear gloves or wash hands immediately. Also, they are not to be used on food surfaces. When I was stuck researching this topic, I spoke to a few academics… their recommendations were always cautious around quat products, and usually peroxide was the “wipe of choice” if it was ok for the use case. (Ie you cannot use peroxide on computers, keyboards, etc.)
  - sizzle 5y ago
    Thanks, gonna get some peroxide!
- errcorrectcode 5y ago
  Not smart. It says right on the bottle that it's not made for skin contact. Check the ingredients (if they're all listed) and see if there's safety data for them all.