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> I really hope that's not the actual message Emirates is putting out there. Why imagine there is hope of that? Is there some question as to the credibility o

> I really hope that's not the actual message Emirates is putting out there. Why imagine there is hope of that? Is there some question as to the credibility of the reporting here? If this memo claim were fake I imagine Emirates would deny the report and initiate some lawsuits. The story linked here is based on the reporting[1] of one Gilbert Ott of godsavethepoints.com over five days ago which includes a image of the 'memo' Emirates issued, so someone has actually put their name on this story, including the report about the memo. Blatant dysfunction should not be discounted through false hopes. This airline is clearly operated by incompetents, both in the cockpit and among its management. Someone will doubtless feel compelled to cite some safety record or another; this carries no weight if you cannot eliminate the contribution of aircraft designers and the automation they've provided. And you can't. [1] https://www.godsavethepoints.com/emirates-flight-231-takeoff-incident/ https://www.godsavethepoints.com/emirates-flight-231-takeoff...

jacquesm 5y ago
You'd hope a regulator would turn their wandering eye to this airline, both from a hiring, operations and management perspective. There are errors on all of those.
- topspin 5y ago
  Emirates is a Flag Carrier for UAE, apparently owned by Dubai's government via 'Investment Corporation of Dubai.' There is, therefore, no meaningful distinction between it and its regulator, so don't hold your breath on that hope either. The FAA will demur; bet the rent money on that. We're talking UAE money here, and that means most of the US Senate is on speed dial. No FAA functionaries will be troubling UAE over this. The only hope one may legitimately cling to is that the problem space is mostly solved by the automation and the autopilot operators occupying the cockpits of these aircraft continue to not interfere with it too much.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    Airplane manufacturers and regulators being too close is not good, see the MAX MCAS issue, airlines should be completely firewalled from regulators for very obvious reasons. That's pretty bad. Here in NL was have a similar situation where the state is shareholder of KLM/AF leading to all kinds of bizarre decisions in recent times. But at least I'd hope that some people at the regulator would resign rather than avoid doing their jobs when safety is on the line.
    - bumby 5y ago
      >airlines should be completely firewalled from regulators for very obvious reasons. Then we need to be prepared to fund the regulators appropriately. I think part of the problem is they are stretched so thin it becomes impossible to know enough about each system an individual regulator is expected to verify/certify.
    - jhugo 5y ago
      In NL you do have some somewhat-external oversight in the form of the European Aviation Safety Agency. This does _sort of_ apply to UAE as well, in the sense that EASA and FAA do some oversight of Emirates because they use their airspace and airports. But obviously that doesn't rise to the level of oversight that a proper arms-length local regulator would be able to provide.

jacquesm 5y ago

You'd hope a regulator would turn their wandering eye to this airline, both from a hiring, operations and management perspective. There are errors on all of those.

topspin 5y ago
Emirates is a Flag Carrier for UAE, apparently owned by Dubai's government via 'Investment Corporation of Dubai.' There is, therefore, no meaningful distinction between it and its regulator, so don't hold your breath on that hope either. The FAA will demur; bet the rent money on that. We're talking UAE money here, and that means most of the US Senate is on speed dial. No FAA functionaries will be troubling UAE over this. The only hope one may legitimately cling to is that the problem space is mostly solved by the automation and the autopilot operators occupying the cockpits of these aircraft continue to not interfere with it too much.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Airplane manufacturers and regulators being too close is not good, see the MAX MCAS issue, airlines should be completely firewalled from regulators for very obvious reasons. That's pretty bad. Here in NL was have a similar situation where the state is shareholder of KLM/AF leading to all kinds of bizarre decisions in recent times. But at least I'd hope that some people at the regulator would resign rather than avoid doing their jobs when safety is on the line.
  - bumby 5y ago
    >airlines should be completely firewalled from regulators for very obvious reasons. Then we need to be prepared to fund the regulators appropriately. I think part of the problem is they are stretched so thin it becomes impossible to know enough about each system an individual regulator is expected to verify/certify.
  - jhugo 5y ago
    In NL you do have some somewhat-external oversight in the form of the European Aviation Safety Agency. This does _sort of_ apply to UAE as well, in the sense that EASA and FAA do some oversight of Emirates because they use their airspace and airports. But obviously that doesn't rise to the level of oversight that a proper arms-length local regulator would be able to provide.