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From a top comment on the article by "Mark D": > I’m a captain at a U.S. major airline with a lot of time in 777s. [...] Also, this is something that SHOULD ha

From a top comment on the article by "Mark D": > I’m a captain at a U.S. major airline with a lot of time in 777s. [...] Also, this is something that SHOULD have been caught by at least two separate checklists, which they obviously didn’t do.

cybertronic 5y ago
Adding at the end: " ... So, these pilots were ill trained and negligent. Don’t fly on these types of carriers. I don’t."
- ytdytvhxgydvhh 5y ago
  I wonder what “these types of carriers” means here. I know there are low-cost carriers and I wouldn’t be surprised if they had less-experienced pilots, etc. But to me Emirates strikes me as a well-funded, reputable operation. Does he mean Middle Eastern carriers?
  - quacked 5y ago
    If the country you're in: - Prioritizes "face" or "reputation" above literal accuracy - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Assume any complex high-risk engineering system run by that culture will occasionally fail in major ways.
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    - la6471 5y ago
    - azth 5y ago
      > - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes How many countries does that leave? And why only low level, why not also high level? Doesn't that rule out the US as well? > - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Also sounds arbitrary.
      - throwaway898989 5y ago
        I am expat in south east asia and his comment is correct low level officials taking bribes means you can do stuff like never wear a seatbelt, just pay the cop $20 USD if you get pulled over. get pulled up for smoking indoors? $20 USD. run over an illegal immigrant and kill them? USD 1000 to have their records completely erased. Sim card? $5 USD cash. rape? what? the police here hung up on my friend on a 911 call because they spoke english and not the 'national language' (police do speak english here).on a different note, it is legal to rape your wife here low level corruption causes immense problems and injustices in society. here, everyone drink drives. driving a car while extremely drunk here is default behaviour. ye high level official bribery will cause probelms, but the low level stuff is what completely craters the system and causes the catastrophic failures in complex engineering systems. i am in the country of mh370
        inside6 5y ago
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        quacked 5y ago
        You said it better than I could. I am a US citizen, and most of my middle/upper-middle class colleagues simply cannot imagine that their society is the result of many hundreds of thousands of people following totally arbitrary rules, and that if people don't follow those rules their society will collapse. They think that US cops (who for the most part can't be bribed by citizens) are normal, and non-US cops who accept bribes are somehow exotic or abnormal.
      - throwaway898989 5y ago
        my frend catch lionair flight , indonesian borneo to jakarta the plane acting funny on landing in jakarta, sort of jumping around, weird turbulence when it land, he look outside and see that one of the major aileron has fuselage completely missing and had been replace with electrical tape the plane was flying funny because one of the aileron was replaced with electrical tape from dollar store by international airline technician importantly, if this plane crash, nobody will ever admit this, cctv record deleted, etc. they will just blame beooing
- rectang 5y ago
  I omitted that bit because I thought it was the least interesting part of Mark D's comment. The subthread which it has inspired here has reinforced my impression. :( There was actually lots of additional interesting technical detail from Mark D which I also left out; the part that was germane to the comment I replied to was the bit about the checklists, since that backed up the notion that the Emirates notice was messed up and weird. The conclusion though, "Don’t fly on these types of carriers", can easily be interpreted as a sociocultural swipe, even if I'm inclined to believe Mark D meant something else and just botched the wording.

cybertronic 5y ago

Adding at the end: " ... So, these pilots were ill trained and negligent. Don’t fly on these types of carriers. I don’t."

ytdytvhxgydvhh 5y ago
I wonder what “these types of carriers” means here. I know there are low-cost carriers and I wouldn’t be surprised if they had less-experienced pilots, etc. But to me Emirates strikes me as a well-funded, reputable operation. Does he mean Middle Eastern carriers?
- quacked 5y ago
  If the country you're in: - Prioritizes "face" or "reputation" above literal accuracy - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Assume any complex high-risk engineering system run by that culture will occasionally fail in major ways.
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  - la6471 5y ago
  - azth 5y ago
    > - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes How many countries does that leave? And why only low level, why not also high level? Doesn't that rule out the US as well? > - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Also sounds arbitrary.
    - throwaway898989 5y ago
      I am expat in south east asia and his comment is correct low level officials taking bribes means you can do stuff like never wear a seatbelt, just pay the cop $20 USD if you get pulled over. get pulled up for smoking indoors? $20 USD. run over an illegal immigrant and kill them? USD 1000 to have their records completely erased. Sim card? $5 USD cash. rape? what? the police here hung up on my friend on a 911 call because they spoke english and not the 'national language' (police do speak english here).on a different note, it is legal to rape your wife here low level corruption causes immense problems and injustices in society. here, everyone drink drives. driving a car while extremely drunk here is default behaviour. ye high level official bribery will cause probelms, but the low level stuff is what completely craters the system and causes the catastrophic failures in complex engineering systems. i am in the country of mh370
      - inside6 5y ago
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      - quacked 5y ago
        You said it better than I could. I am a US citizen, and most of my middle/upper-middle class colleagues simply cannot imagine that their society is the result of many hundreds of thousands of people following totally arbitrary rules, and that if people don't follow those rules their society will collapse. They think that US cops (who for the most part can't be bribed by citizens) are normal, and non-US cops who accept bribes are somehow exotic or abnormal.
    - throwaway898989 5y ago
      my frend catch lionair flight , indonesian borneo to jakarta the plane acting funny on landing in jakarta, sort of jumping around, weird turbulence when it land, he look outside and see that one of the major aileron has fuselage completely missing and had been replace with electrical tape the plane was flying funny because one of the aileron was replaced with electrical tape from dollar store by international airline technician importantly, if this plane crash, nobody will ever admit this, cctv record deleted, etc. they will just blame beooing
rectang 5y ago
I omitted that bit because I thought it was the least interesting part of Mark D's comment. The subthread which it has inspired here has reinforced my impression. :( There was actually lots of additional interesting technical detail from Mark D which I also left out; the part that was germane to the comment I replied to was the bit about the checklists, since that backed up the notion that the Emirates notice was messed up and weird. The conclusion though, "Don’t fly on these types of carriers", can easily be interpreted as a sociocultural swipe, even if I'm inclined to believe Mark D meant something else and just botched the wording.