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It was 15C NYE and the record was 18.0C at Abergwyngregyn, Gwynedd in 1972. I am pretty happy to be honest, considering the fuel crisis, this is a blessing to

It was 15C NYE and the record was 18.0C at Abergwyngregyn, Gwynedd in 1972. I am pretty happy to be honest, considering the fuel crisis, this is a blessing to some. I am not convinced that life everywhere will suddenly be terrible just because it is a little warmer. We had warm periods before and things got better. The Late Bronze Warm Period, The Roman Warm period, and the Middle Age Warm Period. https://imgr.search.brave.com/v3hRyzU6Mm1ShpkX2Z4SEYasQRtDD-ENZk_PpK0ovLY/fit/1200/1200/ce/1/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5z/dXN0YWluYWJsZW9y/ZWdvbi5jb20vcGlj/dHVyZXMvQ2VudHJh/bF9HcmVlbmxhbmRf/VGVtcGVyYXR1cmVf/MjAwMEJDJTIwX3Rv/X1ByZXNlbnQtQWxs/ZXktSGFkQ1JVVC1L/b2Jhc2hpLnBuZw https://imgr.search.brave.com/v3hRyzU6Mm1ShpkX2Z4SEYasQRtDD-... Also see global greening https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...

verisimi 5y ago
It could do with being a little warmer.
polotics 5y ago
It is not going to be a little warmer: do you know about averages? Two degree higher average temperatures means many European forests will burn and not recuperate. With four, even Ireland desertifies. Climate change is only just getting started, by the time people like you realize action is needed, it will be much too much too late. The movie "don't look up" comes to mind.
- irthomasthomas 5y ago
  Desertification was predicted but it didn't happen. The earth has greened instead. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...
  - nemo44x 5y ago
    But you won’t get funding saying this. You need to make your subject of study a crisis in order to secure the funding to study it further. And of course the politicians that unlock the funding would do well if your model could align with their re-election strategy.
    - polotics 5y ago
      This is so not true it's not even funny: do try and get funding for any kind of denialism in the 2000's or any kind of mitigation-study in the 2010's, you will get some kind ear from many on the conservative side (conservation of-self-destruction). The work of the IPCC has been a slow slog for lack of funding.
ben_w 5y ago
First, it’s going to be a bigger change than those periods. The “business as usual” scenario is warmer than today by the degree to which today is warmer than the ice ages. (And I think at least some of those were local climate changes, not global ones?) Second, it’s not about life everywhere except for people who stop as soon as they finish the headlines. Some farmland will go from marginal to good, others from good to marginal. Unfortunately the latter is going to hurt more than the former will help, fortunately there are already solutions, unfortunately they are expensive. Probably more expensive than green subsidies, even if the tech never improves. Thirdly, IIRC, we don’t yet know the conditions which would interfere with the thermohaline circulation, but we have observed the bit near the the U.K. — the Gulf Stream — moving north. Mess that up and the U.K. suddenly turns from a pleasant mild-ish climate all year round into something more like Newfoundland, which is at the same latitude.
- malandrew 5y ago
  Do you know of any maps showing the relative position of the guest team over the UK over time? Curious to see if there’s a prediction that Scotland becomes a lot nicer weather wise as it is at the northern end of the UK.
  - irthomasthomas 5y ago
    It is well known that the Romans had many vineyards in Scotland making wine during the RWP.
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- irthomasthomas 5y ago
  I added a greenland temperature chart overlayed with historical events. Yes, the previous warm periods mentioned where global, they where a lot warmer than today and things mostly got better. The last IPCC report fails to account for global greening, which is a giant effect. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...
kpmah 5y ago
Science denial. It's not going to stop at 'a little warmer'. https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm
tremon 5y ago
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates... And what exactly is the point you think you're making with that? From the link: > Stopping deforestation and ecologically sensible large-scale tree-planting could be one simple, but not sufficient, defense against climate change. So "global greening" is an anthropogenic phenomenon to counter global climate change. It actually confirms that we humans have the means and the possibility to meaningfully impact the climate, and that some of those efforts are proven effective. Is that what you were trying to say?

verisimi 5y ago

It could do with being a little warmer.

polotics 5y ago

It is not going to be a little warmer: do you know about averages? Two degree higher average temperatures means many European forests will burn and not recuperate. With four, even Ireland desertifies. Climate change is only just getting started, by the time people like you realize action is needed, it will be much too much too late. The movie "don't look up" comes to mind.

irthomasthomas 5y ago
Desertification was predicted but it didn't happen. The earth has greened instead. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...
- nemo44x 5y ago
  But you won’t get funding saying this. You need to make your subject of study a crisis in order to secure the funding to study it further. And of course the politicians that unlock the funding would do well if your model could align with their re-election strategy.
  - polotics 5y ago
    This is so not true it's not even funny: do try and get funding for any kind of denialism in the 2000's or any kind of mitigation-study in the 2010's, you will get some kind ear from many on the conservative side (conservation of-self-destruction). The work of the IPCC has been a slow slog for lack of funding.

ben_w 5y ago

First, it’s going to be a bigger change than those periods. The “business as usual” scenario is warmer than today by the degree to which today is warmer than the ice ages. (And I think at least some of those were local climate changes, not global ones?) Second, it’s not about life everywhere except for people who stop as soon as they finish the headlines. Some farmland will go from marginal to good, others from good to marginal. Unfortunately the latter is going to hurt more than the former will help, fortunately there are already solutions, unfortunately they are expensive. Probably more expensive than green subsidies, even if the tech never improves. Thirdly, IIRC, we don’t yet know the conditions which would interfere with the thermohaline circulation, but we have observed the bit near the the U.K. — the Gulf Stream — moving north. Mess that up and the U.K. suddenly turns from a pleasant mild-ish climate all year round into something more like Newfoundland, which is at the same latitude.

malandrew 5y ago
Do you know of any maps showing the relative position of the guest team over the UK over time? Curious to see if there’s a prediction that Scotland becomes a lot nicer weather wise as it is at the northern end of the UK.
- irthomasthomas 5y ago
  It is well known that the Romans had many vineyards in Scotland making wine during the RWP.
  - deleted 5y ago
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irthomasthomas 5y ago
I added a greenland temperature chart overlayed with historical events. Yes, the previous warm periods mentioned where global, they where a lot warmer than today and things mostly got better. The last IPCC report fails to account for global greening, which is a giant effect. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...

kpmah 5y ago

Science denial. It's not going to stop at 'a little warmer'. https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm https://skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

tremon 5y ago

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates... And what exactly is the point you think you're making with that? From the link: > Stopping deforestation and ecologically sensible large-scale tree-planting could be one simple, but not sufficient, defense against climate change. So "global greening" is an anthropogenic phenomenon to counter global climate change. It actually confirms that we humans have the means and the possibility to meaningfully impact the climate, and that some of those efforts are proven effective. Is that what you were trying to say?