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When Peter Pan entered the public domain, there was a plethora of new books reimagining the Peter Pan story. I look forward to see what will be coming out aroun

When Peter Pan entered the public domain, there was a plethora of new books reimagining the Peter Pan story. I look forward to see what will be coming out around these new books entering the public domain.

spoonjim 5y ago
There is already a great Winnie the Pooh prequel just out.
- deusum 5y ago
  Proof that copyright and patents stifle innovation?
  - lettergram 5y ago
    I’d argue potentially the opposite is true. Trying to figure out new ways of doing things and new stories likely lead to further innovation. That said it might not lead to the maximum benefits, but it should lead to the maximum diversity.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    For every good Winnie the Pooh story, there will be a hundred acres of bad stories and questionable-taste material made for it. Expect the furries to have lots of fun with this. Is that innovation? Things are always more nuanced than they appear.
    - spoonjim 5y ago
      The furries can and do write Winnie the Pooh stories today. Nobody will stop them because those stories didn't have any sizable income potential to begin with. They live on furry web sites that don't catch the attention of IP lawyers. What public domain enables is for-profit adaptations of Winnie the Pooh.
    - Kaze404 5y ago
      Things you personally dislike are innovation as well.
    - nicoburns 5y ago
      > Is that innovation? Well, yes. People associate innovation with good new ideas, but the process inevitably involves a lot of bad ones.
    - shash 5y ago
      Of course it is! Look at fairy tales, Robin Hood stories or Aesop's fables. Not every adaptation is good, but every now and then, you end up with a classic. What's annoying is how often companies like Disney take a public domain work, make an interesting derivative and then turn around and lobby to make it impossible for their derivatives to enter the public domain. They did, after all, benefit from the same public domain...
  - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
    > Proof that copyright and patents stifle innovation? Proof that forever-copyrights stifle innovation. It's a balance. No money and people who need to eat have to dig ditches instead of creating. A hundred years of monopoly when fourteen would have been enough and you're constraining third parties more than you're providing incentive to the original author.
    - Aaargh20318 5y ago
      > No money and people who need to eat have to dig ditches instead of creating. Which is why no creative works exist from before the invention of copyright laws. Walk into any library, concert hall, art museum or theater and you won’t find any works from before copyright. /s
      - falcolas 5y ago
        Paying only the existing writers in the us a median wage would cost patrons around 2.2 billion dollars* a year. I don’t see this being tenable, not without a frankly absurd loss of diversity in writing. * ~44k writers, with $50k wages. Note that this is below the current median earnings for authors.
      - mlyle 5y ago
        Sure, patronage systems worked on a small scale. I don't think they would work in our society. Yes, not all art or literature would stop, but the number of people who could pursue it as a profession would drop precipitously.
    - mlyle 5y ago
      Yes, thank you. I do think the original 14 years is a trifle short. Maybe 14 years, with a cheap 14 year extension, and then one more very expensive 14 year extension. Then you can get long-lived film franchises, etc, while works that are commercially irrelevant enter the PD relatively soon.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  The prequel was an authorized story, not related to the recent copyright expiration.
cableshaft 5y ago
Board games too. There's several board games that are Cthulhu or Alice and Wonderland themed, for example, because those are in the public domain and no license fees are needed. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing several Winnie The Pooh themed games as well in a year or two. Coming out this year alone are two Alice in Wonderland themed games: Paint the Roses and Wonderland's War. Another old favorite is a simple card game called Parade. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/253759/paint-roses https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/253759/paint-roses https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227935/wonderlands-war https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227935/wonderlands-war https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/56692/parade https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/56692/parade

spoonjim 5y ago

There is already a great Winnie the Pooh prequel just out.

deusum 5y ago
Proof that copyright and patents stifle innovation?
- lettergram 5y ago
  I’d argue potentially the opposite is true. Trying to figure out new ways of doing things and new stories likely lead to further innovation. That said it might not lead to the maximum benefits, but it should lead to the maximum diversity.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  For every good Winnie the Pooh story, there will be a hundred acres of bad stories and questionable-taste material made for it. Expect the furries to have lots of fun with this. Is that innovation? Things are always more nuanced than they appear.
  - spoonjim 5y ago
    The furries can and do write Winnie the Pooh stories today. Nobody will stop them because those stories didn't have any sizable income potential to begin with. They live on furry web sites that don't catch the attention of IP lawyers. What public domain enables is for-profit adaptations of Winnie the Pooh.
  - Kaze404 5y ago
    Things you personally dislike are innovation as well.
  - nicoburns 5y ago
    > Is that innovation? Well, yes. People associate innovation with good new ideas, but the process inevitably involves a lot of bad ones.
  - shash 5y ago
    Of course it is! Look at fairy tales, Robin Hood stories or Aesop's fables. Not every adaptation is good, but every now and then, you end up with a classic. What's annoying is how often companies like Disney take a public domain work, make an interesting derivative and then turn around and lobby to make it impossible for their derivatives to enter the public domain. They did, after all, benefit from the same public domain...
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  > Proof that copyright and patents stifle innovation? Proof that forever-copyrights stifle innovation. It's a balance. No money and people who need to eat have to dig ditches instead of creating. A hundred years of monopoly when fourteen would have been enough and you're constraining third parties more than you're providing incentive to the original author.
  - Aaargh20318 5y ago
    > No money and people who need to eat have to dig ditches instead of creating. Which is why no creative works exist from before the invention of copyright laws. Walk into any library, concert hall, art museum or theater and you won’t find any works from before copyright. /s
    - falcolas 5y ago
      Paying only the existing writers in the us a median wage would cost patrons around 2.2 billion dollars* a year. I don’t see this being tenable, not without a frankly absurd loss of diversity in writing. * ~44k writers, with $50k wages. Note that this is below the current median earnings for authors.
    - mlyle 5y ago
      Sure, patronage systems worked on a small scale. I don't think they would work in our society. Yes, not all art or literature would stop, but the number of people who could pursue it as a profession would drop precipitously.
  - mlyle 5y ago
    Yes, thank you. I do think the original 14 years is a trifle short. Maybe 14 years, with a cheap 14 year extension, and then one more very expensive 14 year extension. Then you can get long-lived film franchises, etc, while works that are commercially irrelevant enter the PD relatively soon.
gjsman-1000 5y ago
The prequel was an authorized story, not related to the recent copyright expiration.

cableshaft 5y ago

Board games too. There's several board games that are Cthulhu or Alice and Wonderland themed, for example, because those are in the public domain and no license fees are needed. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing several Winnie The Pooh themed games as well in a year or two. Coming out this year alone are two Alice in Wonderland themed games: Paint the Roses and Wonderland's War. Another old favorite is a simple card game called Parade. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/253759/paint-roses https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/253759/paint-roses https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227935/wonderlands-war https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227935/wonderlands-war https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/56692/parade https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/56692/parade