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Okay? But this isn’t about your liberal vaccinated friends. This is about people who aren’t vaccinated…

slibhb 5y ago
"My liberal friends" show that this is not a wedge issue as the previous poster suggested. They are "anti-lockdown" and to a large extent "anti-mask" but they don't hate women, blacks, or science.
- bradlys 5y ago
  But the point is that anti-vaccine people tend to be the hateful ones. Vaccines are a wedge issue. Lockdowns aren’t as much - if you’re already vaccinated. Honestly - almost no one really disagrees with that statement either. We all know it might not be helpful to get people vaccinated but we also know it’s true.
  - moralestapia 5y ago
    >But the point is that anti-vaccine people tend to be the hateful ones. Hi Trudeau! Listen, the issue here is that you cannot clump two uncorrelated issues together, and even if they were correlated, it wouldn't be fair as for sure there's people that (please sit down, this may me quite shocking to you) do not want to get the vaccine BUT are also not part of whatever group you refer to as "the hateful ones".
    - Spivak 5y ago
      Nowhere does “vaccines, masks, and lockdowns became a wedge issue picked up by large groups of people largely associated with hate” and “anyone who is anti-vax must be a part of that group.” You absolutely can clump unrelated issues together when they’re specifically adopted by people who organize under a common banner or label. You don’t think that issues that make up “the liberal agenda” are reasonably well defined? Does it mean that literally every single liberal cares about all of them with the same fervor? Hell no, but it strongly predicts the views of someone who uses the label and the issues are cut so cleanly you can even make statements like “the typical person who cares strongly about native peoples identifies as a liberal.”
      - slibhb 5y ago
        I don't see how your behavior is any different from assuming all black men are criminals. I think you're wrong for same reason that assumption is wrong.

"My liberal friends" show that this is not a wedge issue as the previous poster suggested. They are "anti-lockdown" and to a large extent "anti-mask" but they don't hate women, blacks, or science.

bradlys 5y ago
But the point is that anti-vaccine people tend to be the hateful ones. Vaccines are a wedge issue. Lockdowns aren’t as much - if you’re already vaccinated. Honestly - almost no one really disagrees with that statement either. We all know it might not be helpful to get people vaccinated but we also know it’s true.
- moralestapia 5y ago
  >But the point is that anti-vaccine people tend to be the hateful ones. Hi Trudeau! Listen, the issue here is that you cannot clump two uncorrelated issues together, and even if they were correlated, it wouldn't be fair as for sure there's people that (please sit down, this may me quite shocking to you) do not want to get the vaccine BUT are also not part of whatever group you refer to as "the hateful ones".
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Nowhere does “vaccines, masks, and lockdowns became a wedge issue picked up by large groups of people largely associated with hate” and “anyone who is anti-vax must be a part of that group.” You absolutely can clump unrelated issues together when they’re specifically adopted by people who organize under a common banner or label. You don’t think that issues that make up “the liberal agenda” are reasonably well defined? Does it mean that literally every single liberal cares about all of them with the same fervor? Hell no, but it strongly predicts the views of someone who uses the label and the issues are cut so cleanly you can even make statements like “the typical person who cares strongly about native peoples identifies as a liberal.”
    - slibhb 5y ago
      I don't see how your behavior is any different from assuming all black men are criminals. I think you're wrong for same reason that assumption is wrong.