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I'm one! I work with VS daily and I think it's pretty bad. Some examples; I cannot get a plain folder view. Intellisense is very inept compared to Jetbrains pro

I'm one! I work with VS daily and I think it's pretty bad. Some examples; I cannot get a plain folder view. Intellisense is very inept compared to Jetbrains products. Bad refactor support, can't find things you're looking for etc. File tabs are hard to keep organized. The source control support has been worst of the worst up util recently (blame view taking minutes to show up etc), and now it's only mediocre. Best way to find stuff is through "find all", which is an order of magnitude slower than grep. "Track changes" resets on file close, not when you save or commit, making it rather useless. VS also crashes quite frequently if you aren't gentle with keypresses. Single-threaded plugin model causing keyboard input lag. Etc etc. I could go on. The good parts of VS is hot-reload (when it works), the debugger, and the profiler. Otherwise I'm not a fan.

unbanned 5y ago
>I cannot get a plain folder view Yes you can. Change from solution view to folder view. >The good parts of VS is hot-reload (when it works), the debugger, and the profiler So everything you want from an IDE? What are you actually angry at?
- strictfp 5y ago
  I can't use file view, since it has some side-effect that messes up our solution completely. And before you blame me, it's a cmake import. I'm not angry, I just don't think it's fair to claim that VS is a good IDE. If that's all you expect from an IDE, I understand why you're happy with VS :D
  - jevgeni 5y ago
    Yes, but what do YOU expect from an ideal IDE? That was the question. If you're targeting .NET or C++ development for Windows, there's not a lot of competition to be able to claim that there's something substantially better. Rider, IMO, is on par, with better refactoring. However, VS debugger is still better.
    - strictfp 5y ago
      You're right in that it might be the only viable option for some usecases, but that doesn't make it good. It makes it passable :)
jchw 5y ago
>I cannot get a plain folder view. Like this? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jchv/files/main/devenv_G81mstpln0.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jchv/files/main/devenv_G81... Use the "Switch between solutions and available views" button and select "Folder view." Seems about right to me. > Visual assist is very inept compared to Jetbrains products Jetbrains does have better refactoring, but you don't really have to choose one or the other; Resharper and Resharper C++ give you the best of both worlds. Jetbrains is missing some stuff that Visual Studio can do, too. Visual Studio does some static analysis to detect out-of-bounds errors and other mistakes, which is useful to have as quick feedback in the IDE, in my opinion.
- strictfp 5y ago
  Sure, I'm aware and have ReSharper C++ plus the clang linting enabled. VS isn't all too shabby, they've been shaping up recently. But it certainly isn't the best, or even among the better, in my opinion. Even the file editor is pretty weak compared to other editors IMO.
  - vsareto 5y ago
    Have you used VS without major extensions like Resharper for a decent length of time? I find Resharper slows everything down significantly and makes VS worse overall.
    - strictfp 5y ago
      Yes, I have. And although Microsoft claim otherwise, I find intellisense sorely lacking in a lot of areas. Indexing is bad, search is bad, and their refactorings miss the mark a lot of the time. It's clear that Jetbrains lexical analysis is a lot better. I can search for implementers, find usages, rename and restructure without thinking twice, most of the time. ReSharper has been really slow, yes, but it's also much better than intellisense and noticably better than Visual Assist. As of now, it's at least usable for me. Have to turn off full solution scanning, but other than that it works. I agree that the general experience is degraded by ReSharper, sometimes severely, but VS is just too dumb without it, IMHO.
MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
throwawayboise 5y ago
Last time I had to use Visual Studio (about 10 years ago) I used emacs to write my C# code and used Visual Studio to manage the "project" and run builds. Mainly because I had 2 decades of Emacs muscle memory and I kept fighting it in VS (yes, I tried the emacs keybindings in VS).
FridgeSeal 5y ago
To add to this list: if something happens on disk it practically has an aneurysm. VSCode and JetBrains products cope without even blinking.

unbanned 5y ago

>I cannot get a plain folder view Yes you can. Change from solution view to folder view. >The good parts of VS is hot-reload (when it works), the debugger, and the profiler So everything you want from an IDE? What are you actually angry at?

strictfp 5y ago
I can't use file view, since it has some side-effect that messes up our solution completely. And before you blame me, it's a cmake import. I'm not angry, I just don't think it's fair to claim that VS is a good IDE. If that's all you expect from an IDE, I understand why you're happy with VS :D
- jevgeni 5y ago
  Yes, but what do YOU expect from an ideal IDE? That was the question. If you're targeting .NET or C++ development for Windows, there's not a lot of competition to be able to claim that there's something substantially better. Rider, IMO, is on par, with better refactoring. However, VS debugger is still better.
  - strictfp 5y ago
    You're right in that it might be the only viable option for some usecases, but that doesn't make it good. It makes it passable :)

jchw 5y ago

>I cannot get a plain folder view. Like this? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jchv/files/main/devenv_G81mstpln0.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jchv/files/main/devenv_G81... Use the "Switch between solutions and available views" button and select "Folder view." Seems about right to me. > Visual assist is very inept compared to Jetbrains products Jetbrains does have better refactoring, but you don't really have to choose one or the other; Resharper and Resharper C++ give you the best of both worlds. Jetbrains is missing some stuff that Visual Studio can do, too. Visual Studio does some static analysis to detect out-of-bounds errors and other mistakes, which is useful to have as quick feedback in the IDE, in my opinion.

strictfp 5y ago
Sure, I'm aware and have ReSharper C++ plus the clang linting enabled. VS isn't all too shabby, they've been shaping up recently. But it certainly isn't the best, or even among the better, in my opinion. Even the file editor is pretty weak compared to other editors IMO.
- vsareto 5y ago
  Have you used VS without major extensions like Resharper for a decent length of time? I find Resharper slows everything down significantly and makes VS worse overall.
  - strictfp 5y ago
    Yes, I have. And although Microsoft claim otherwise, I find intellisense sorely lacking in a lot of areas. Indexing is bad, search is bad, and their refactorings miss the mark a lot of the time. It's clear that Jetbrains lexical analysis is a lot better. I can search for implementers, find usages, rename and restructure without thinking twice, most of the time. ReSharper has been really slow, yes, but it's also much better than intellisense and noticably better than Visual Assist. As of now, it's at least usable for me. Have to turn off full solution scanning, but other than that it works. I agree that the general experience is degraded by ReSharper, sometimes severely, but VS is just too dumb without it, IMHO.

MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago

throwawayboise 5y ago

Last time I had to use Visual Studio (about 10 years ago) I used emacs to write my C# code and used Visual Studio to manage the "project" and run builds. Mainly because I had 2 decades of Emacs muscle memory and I kept fighting it in VS (yes, I tried the emacs keybindings in VS).

FridgeSeal 5y ago

To add to this list: if something happens on disk it practically has an aneurysm. VSCode and JetBrains products cope without even blinking.