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> the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them How does your right to protect yourself lead to a right to exclude someone else from societ

by ls15 5y ago

> the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them How does your right to protect yourself lead to a right to exclude someone else from society?

bradlys 5y ago
We have prisons - don’t we?
- jrs235 5y ago
  So you're willing to pay to keep anti-vaxxer's alive right? You're willing to pay for their housing, food, healthcare, etc. so long as you can keep them away from everyone else? Honest question.
- ls15 5y ago
  Yes, for people who provably committed crimes.
simonh 5y ago
They’re a danger to themselves and others. I have family members that work in health care that are affected by this. I don’t see why any further justification is necessary. I don’t agree with those equating this with crimes and prison. Those are not equivalent, these people aren’t criminals and rounding up or imprisoning them is abhorrent. But to participate in society is about obligations as well as rights, and I think withdrawing certain privileges in the face of wilful disregard of one’s obligations is reasonable if it is necessary to protect others.
- ls15 5y ago
  > They’re a danger to themselves and others. I have family members that work in health care that are affected by this. I don’t see why any further justification is necessary. There is a lot more justification needed, because "They’re a danger to themselves and others." is a generalization that is potentially not true. Vaccinated people can still infect others, while an unvaccinated person can be more strict about testing and masking, which could in practice lead to better protection than just being vaccinated. Especially if the vaccination has been developed for the alpha strain and omicron seems not impressed by it, while for males under 40 the chance to contract myocarditis from vaccination is higher than for contracting it from covid. I don't think that society has any right to bully individuals into taking a vaccine that has not been shown to really stop the spread and is not really efficient against the dominating strains of the virus. For making this an obligation, the results of the vaccine are not good enough, while this and the other counterarguments are not being discussed enough.

by ls15 5y ago

> the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them How does your right to protect yourself lead to a right to exclude someone else from society?

bradlys 5y ago

We have prisons - don’t we?

jrs235 5y ago
So you're willing to pay to keep anti-vaxxer's alive right? You're willing to pay for their housing, food, healthcare, etc. so long as you can keep them away from everyone else? Honest question.
ls15 5y ago
Yes, for people who provably committed crimes.

simonh 5y ago

They’re a danger to themselves and others. I have family members that work in health care that are affected by this. I don’t see why any further justification is necessary. I don’t agree with those equating this with crimes and prison. Those are not equivalent, these people aren’t criminals and rounding up or imprisoning them is abhorrent. But to participate in society is about obligations as well as rights, and I think withdrawing certain privileges in the face of wilful disregard of one’s obligations is reasonable if it is necessary to protect others.

ls15 5y ago
> They’re a danger to themselves and others. I have family members that work in health care that are affected by this. I don’t see why any further justification is necessary. There is a lot more justification needed, because "They’re a danger to themselves and others." is a generalization that is potentially not true. Vaccinated people can still infect others, while an unvaccinated person can be more strict about testing and masking, which could in practice lead to better protection than just being vaccinated. Especially if the vaccination has been developed for the alpha strain and omicron seems not impressed by it, while for males under 40 the chance to contract myocarditis from vaccination is higher than for contracting it from covid. I don't think that society has any right to bully individuals into taking a vaccine that has not been shown to really stop the spread and is not really efficient against the dominating strains of the virus. For making this an obligation, the results of the vaccine are not good enough, while this and the other counterarguments are not being discussed enough.