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Covid is now endemic - that is the scientific consensus. Are you suggesting that we permanently give up our right to decide what medications to take? Taking a

by q1w2 5y ago

Covid is now endemic - that is the scientific consensus. Are you suggesting that we permanently give up our right to decide what medications to take? Taking a vaccine is a forced medical procedure for the benefit of someone other than the individual. I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, but I recognize that effectively forcing this upon people by denying them fundamental rights and services, is not ethical, and sets an intolerable precedent.

scrollaway 5y ago
Several vaccines are already mandated for a variety of travel to countries, jobs etc. Covid is not new in that regard and all this nonsense about an “intolerable precedent” is ridiculous. The precedent has been around with us for a long time and we’ve been fine with it. The only reason this comes up now is because of increased visibility on it.
- bmeski 5y ago
  The issue is much more nuanced. I will gladly take an FDA approved vaccine like any other for such reasons. None of the available ones right now are. Yes even Pfizer isn’t as the approved Pfizer vax (Comirnaty) is not the same exact vaccine as the one currently available/being used. Edit: In short, many of us fear that the regulatory processes that govern our healthcare have been hijacked by corporate interest. We all know this leads to corners being cut as that’s inevitably how businesses are run.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    Why do you think specifically this has to do with corporate interests? Doesn’t Occam’s razor say that it’s just the fact the pandemic is destroying society and there is immense pressure from everywhere to accelerate usually very slow and bureaucratic processes because the risk reward ratio is completely different than the one for a vaccine for more contained diseases?
    - bmeski 5y ago
      Yes, this virus is brutal and highly dangerous, which is why we need to do everything we can to stop it, not just somethings that are highly lucrative. Why hasn’t the news or our medical governance brought up the fact that a small intranasal injection can greatly prevent transmission? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8026810/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8026810/
      - scrollaway 5y ago
        We're having trouble since the beginning of the pandemic getting people to wear a simple cloth mask. You want them to inject stuff up their nose on a regular basis now? When you say "why isn't x happening" I'd like to invite you to think about what x would look like, in practice, and what it is you actually are expecting. This has nothing to do with how lucrative it is. Just how practical. Note the author doesn't even say this measure can replace PPE and other preventative measures.. just add to them.
        bmeski 5y ago
        The masking is an odd one because they told us not to do it, then to do it. I’ve also read claims that these respiratory viruses are on the order of microns and most masks are pointless, unless specifically designed for this.
- q1w2 5y ago
  This vaccine is different in that it is only partially effective, and unless you are in a high risk group, taking it is primarily for the benefit of others, not you. Also, prior to covid, only students were required to take vaccines - all for illnesses that were much more severe than covid. There were few or none for adults - aside from a small number of countries requiring foreigners to vaccinate for illnesses they were attempting to eradicate. That's all very different than requiring it for your own citizens so that they can work, travel, and receive government services.

by q1w2 5y ago

scrollaway 5y ago

Several vaccines are already mandated for a variety of travel to countries, jobs etc. Covid is not new in that regard and all this nonsense about an “intolerable precedent” is ridiculous. The precedent has been around with us for a long time and we’ve been fine with it. The only reason this comes up now is because of increased visibility on it.

bmeski 5y ago
The issue is much more nuanced. I will gladly take an FDA approved vaccine like any other for such reasons. None of the available ones right now are. Yes even Pfizer isn’t as the approved Pfizer vax (Comirnaty) is not the same exact vaccine as the one currently available/being used. Edit: In short, many of us fear that the regulatory processes that govern our healthcare have been hijacked by corporate interest. We all know this leads to corners being cut as that’s inevitably how businesses are run.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  Why do you think specifically this has to do with corporate interests? Doesn’t Occam’s razor say that it’s just the fact the pandemic is destroying society and there is immense pressure from everywhere to accelerate usually very slow and bureaucratic processes because the risk reward ratio is completely different than the one for a vaccine for more contained diseases?
  - bmeski 5y ago
    Yes, this virus is brutal and highly dangerous, which is why we need to do everything we can to stop it, not just somethings that are highly lucrative. Why hasn’t the news or our medical governance brought up the fact that a small intranasal injection can greatly prevent transmission? Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8026810/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8026810/
    - scrollaway 5y ago
      We're having trouble since the beginning of the pandemic getting people to wear a simple cloth mask. You want them to inject stuff up their nose on a regular basis now? When you say "why isn't x happening" I'd like to invite you to think about what x would look like, in practice, and what it is you actually are expecting. This has nothing to do with how lucrative it is. Just how practical. Note the author doesn't even say this measure can replace PPE and other preventative measures.. just add to them.
      - bmeski 5y ago
        The masking is an odd one because they told us not to do it, then to do it. I’ve also read claims that these respiratory viruses are on the order of microns and most masks are pointless, unless specifically designed for this.
q1w2 5y ago
This vaccine is different in that it is only partially effective, and unless you are in a high risk group, taking it is primarily for the benefit of others, not you. Also, prior to covid, only students were required to take vaccines - all for illnesses that were much more severe than covid. There were few or none for adults - aside from a small number of countries requiring foreigners to vaccinate for illnesses they were attempting to eradicate. That's all very different than requiring it for your own citizens so that they can work, travel, and receive government services.