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I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effectiv

I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effective at preventing transmission. Invariably no one wants to go there. Gay people with AIDS that didn't use a condom are to be cried over in our society, while those with COVID that didn't take the vaccine are to be punished.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
- onos 5y ago
  In USA at least vaccination rates strongly correlate with class and so races with more poverty have higher unvaccinated rates - blacks and Hispanics. But the advocates here seem to follow the meme that the unvaccinated are all trump supporting deplorables…
  - lalaland1125 5y ago
    That's outdated. Due to better vaccine outreach the vaccination rates between races have mostly equalized.
    - onos 5y ago
      Thanks. I found a good article with visuals showing things have improved, as you say. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...
scott_w 5y ago
You can’t spread HIV just by sitting next to someone. Your analogy also doesn’t hold at all because countries DO punish people for knowingly infecting others with HIV.
- yostrovs 5y ago
  You can spread HIV by having sex with someone and not using a condom. You might not even know you have HIV, so using a condom is essential in any case.
  - scott_w 5y ago
    You can spread Covid to an entire roomful of people just by sitting in it. The two things aren’t even remotely comparable. To suggest otherwise is to repeat the homophobic prejudices of the original HIV pandemic.
MiroF 5y ago
Beyond the other obvious problems with your comment, you're also missing the fact that many of the people dying of AIDS died 10+ years after contracting the virus, substantially before any of the science on HIV spread was settled.
- yostrovs 5y ago
  By the 1990s you would have had to live under a rock not to know to use condoms.
  - MiroF 5y ago
    Dying in the 1990s of AIDS likely means you acquired the disease in the early to mid 80s, you clearly are unaware of the science behind the disease.
    - yostrovs 5y ago
      My comment referred to people who got sick with AIDS in the 1990s when 10 year olds knew the dangers.
      - MiroF 5y ago
        Most people who "got sick with AIDS in the 1990s" contracted HIV in the 80s. You don't seem to know much about the difference between AIDS/HIV or the latency period.
        yostrovs 5y ago
        You don't want to acknowledge the moral dilemma that I'm presenting and instead bickering about the details. I'm a medical professional. I know about HIV and AIDS. You're just being a boob.
ausbah 5y ago
you don't transmit AIDS, you trasmit HIV and not sure who you're hanging with, but as a sexually active gay man I've never heard of no condom usage for anyone being seen as acceptable unless there is consent between all parties

loudtieblahblah 5y ago

onos 5y ago
In USA at least vaccination rates strongly correlate with class and so races with more poverty have higher unvaccinated rates - blacks and Hispanics. But the advocates here seem to follow the meme that the unvaccinated are all trump supporting deplorables…
- lalaland1125 5y ago
  That's outdated. Due to better vaccine outreach the vaccination rates between races have mostly equalized.
  - onos 5y ago
    Thanks. I found a good article with visuals showing things have improved, as you say. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

scott_w 5y ago

You can’t spread HIV just by sitting next to someone. Your analogy also doesn’t hold at all because countries DO punish people for knowingly infecting others with HIV.

yostrovs 5y ago
You can spread HIV by having sex with someone and not using a condom. You might not even know you have HIV, so using a condom is essential in any case.
- scott_w 5y ago
  You can spread Covid to an entire roomful of people just by sitting in it. The two things aren’t even remotely comparable. To suggest otherwise is to repeat the homophobic prejudices of the original HIV pandemic.

MiroF 5y ago

Beyond the other obvious problems with your comment, you're also missing the fact that many of the people dying of AIDS died 10+ years after contracting the virus, substantially before any of the science on HIV spread was settled.

yostrovs 5y ago
By the 1990s you would have had to live under a rock not to know to use condoms.
- MiroF 5y ago
  Dying in the 1990s of AIDS likely means you acquired the disease in the early to mid 80s, you clearly are unaware of the science behind the disease.
  - yostrovs 5y ago
    My comment referred to people who got sick with AIDS in the 1990s when 10 year olds knew the dangers.
    - MiroF 5y ago
      Most people who "got sick with AIDS in the 1990s" contracted HIV in the 80s. You don't seem to know much about the difference between AIDS/HIV or the latency period.
      - yostrovs 5y ago
        You don't want to acknowledge the moral dilemma that I'm presenting and instead bickering about the details. I'm a medical professional. I know about HIV and AIDS. You're just being a boob.

ausbah 5y ago

you don't transmit AIDS, you trasmit HIV and not sure who you're hanging with, but as a sexually active gay man I've never heard of no condom usage for anyone being seen as acceptable unless there is consent between all parties