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The vaccines do work by diminishing severity of symptoms and thus reducing rate of hospitalization. The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and fina

The vaccines do work by diminishing severity of symptoms and thus reducing rate of hospitalization. The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. This social and financial pressure is placed on individuals because urban hospitals do not have the money or resources to deal with the rate at which they're admitting patients for severe Covid-19, and most of the patients they're admitting are unvaccinated.

bhickey 5y ago
> The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Vaccination reduces the infection rate. [0] You can't transmit the virus if you aren't infected in the first place. Other studies have shown that people with breakthrough infections have a shorter period in which they can transmit. [0] BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Mass Vaccination Setting https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2101765 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2101765
kitd 5y ago
It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Vaccines absolutely do reduce transmission from the vaccinated outward. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/22...
- MiroF 5y ago
  your link does not work
  - kitd 5y ago
    Apologies. Try this one: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-l...
- ekianjo 5y ago
  Oh did we do a randomized double blind trial to prove that ?
- bhickey 5y ago
  Here's the underlying study: Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of Delta variant (B.1.617.2), the Netherlands, August to September 2021 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34738514/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34738514/
- lordloki 5y ago
  Not against Omicron.
jashmatthews 5y ago
> It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. This is another misconception. Our best evidence is that they're extremely effective. The problem is they're not quite effective enough to just go back to life as before since newer variants are extremely virulent.
coolso 5y ago
> It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Even given the typical bias of the media it’s still astonishing that Biden got a complete and utter free pass from the media for propagating this idea by basically giving everyone - vaccinated or not - a “mandate” that they no longer needed to wear a mask this past spring / late summer, all for PR points to make it look like the virus had been defeated.

bhickey 5y ago

> The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Vaccination reduces the infection rate. [0] You can't transmit the virus if you aren't infected in the first place. Other studies have shown that people with breakthrough infections have a shorter period in which they can transmit. [0] BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Mass Vaccination Setting https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2101765 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2101765

kitd 5y ago

It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Vaccines absolutely do reduce transmission from the vaccinated outward. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/22...

MiroF 5y ago
your link does not work
- kitd 5y ago
  Apologies. Try this one: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-l...
ekianjo 5y ago
Oh did we do a randomized double blind trial to prove that ?
bhickey 5y ago
Here's the underlying study: Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of Delta variant (B.1.617.2), the Netherlands, August to September 2021 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34738514/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34738514/
lordloki 5y ago
Not against Omicron.

jashmatthews 5y ago

> It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. This is another misconception. Our best evidence is that they're extremely effective. The problem is they're not quite effective enough to just go back to life as before since newer variants are extremely virulent.

coolso 5y ago

> It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Even given the typical bias of the media it’s still astonishing that Biden got a complete and utter free pass from the media for propagating this idea by basically giving everyone - vaccinated or not - a “mandate” that they no longer needed to wear a mask this past spring / late summer, all for PR points to make it look like the virus had been defeated.