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vaccines reduce transmission and severity, this virus has killed over 5 million people in 2 years

by micromacrofoot 5y ago

WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
crisdux 5y ago
- jashmatthews 5y ago
  It's dramatically effective in reducing spread. Unvaccinated people are driving 85-90% of the spread in Germany. https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/ https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/
  - peteradio 5y ago
    Pre-omicron.
  - crisdux 5y ago
    That is low quality evidence. It's folks doing some mathematical modeling. Mathematical modeling has had a very bad track record during this pandemic. Did you even read the paper you are linking?
- tylersmith 5y ago
- djdjjrjrjr 5y ago
  You can have a high case load in vaccinated countries and still have vaccines that reduce transmissions. Those two ideas don’t conflict. It just means the vaccines we have don’t reduce transmission by 100% and you have a disease that is highly infectious. Just because a medical intervention doesn’t work 100% of the time doesn’t mean it’s 0% effective. Most interventions (vaccines, drugs, procedures, surgeries) don’t work at 100.0%. From the data I’ve seen it appears the mRNA vaccines have some effect in reducing transmission while the other vaccines don’t. It is correct to say that the efficacy against transmission has dropped significantly, but that doesn’t mean it’s 0%.
- huntertwo 5y ago
  "Hurr durr look at cases there's more than before" is not how you can tell whether the vaccine has an effect and is not how the scientific method works. It's likely that without vaccines, the omicron variant would have caused an even higher case load than we are seeing now. We know this because there are studies that show the vaccine reduces your likelihood of getting the original strain. Also we have studies that show vaccination reduces your probability of infection by omicron [0]. In addition, without vaccines, there would be more hospitalizations. These facts don't necessarily support vaccine mandates from a moral POV, but they're still the facts and by ignoring these facts you're the one spreading nonsense. [0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270
- royaltheartist 5y ago
  The case rate among unvaccinated can be up to 18 times higher than the vaccinated, even in areas where the vaccination rate is close to 75% https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/... The vaccines reduce contraction, transmission and severity
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  you’re continuing to ignore “more contagious variants”
bmeski 5y ago
lack of proper early treatment is why the virus has killed so many. The vaccines do not work as they were EUA approved to do.

vaccines reduce transmission and severity, this virus has killed over 5 million people in 2 years

WaxedChewbacca 5y ago

crisdux 5y ago

jashmatthews 5y ago
It's dramatically effective in reducing spread. Unvaccinated people are driving 85-90% of the spread in Germany. https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/ https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/
- peteradio 5y ago
  Pre-omicron.
- crisdux 5y ago
  That is low quality evidence. It's folks doing some mathematical modeling. Mathematical modeling has had a very bad track record during this pandemic. Did you even read the paper you are linking?
tylersmith 5y ago
djdjjrjrjr 5y ago
You can have a high case load in vaccinated countries and still have vaccines that reduce transmissions. Those two ideas don’t conflict. It just means the vaccines we have don’t reduce transmission by 100% and you have a disease that is highly infectious. Just because a medical intervention doesn’t work 100% of the time doesn’t mean it’s 0% effective. Most interventions (vaccines, drugs, procedures, surgeries) don’t work at 100.0%. From the data I’ve seen it appears the mRNA vaccines have some effect in reducing transmission while the other vaccines don’t. It is correct to say that the efficacy against transmission has dropped significantly, but that doesn’t mean it’s 0%.
huntertwo 5y ago
"Hurr durr look at cases there's more than before" is not how you can tell whether the vaccine has an effect and is not how the scientific method works. It's likely that without vaccines, the omicron variant would have caused an even higher case load than we are seeing now. We know this because there are studies that show the vaccine reduces your likelihood of getting the original strain. Also we have studies that show vaccination reduces your probability of infection by omicron [0]. In addition, without vaccines, there would be more hospitalizations. These facts don't necessarily support vaccine mandates from a moral POV, but they're still the facts and by ignoring these facts you're the one spreading nonsense. [0] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270
royaltheartist 5y ago
The case rate among unvaccinated can be up to 18 times higher than the vaccinated, even in areas where the vaccination rate is close to 75% https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/... The vaccines reduce contraction, transmission and severity
micromacrofoot 5y ago
you’re continuing to ignore “more contagious variants”

bmeski 5y ago

lack of proper early treatment is why the virus has killed so many. The vaccines do not work as they were EUA approved to do.