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> This only applies to the original works, and not to the subsequent adaptations and merchandise, which allows for Disney's incarnation of Winnie the Pooh to st

> This only applies to the original works, and not to the subsequent adaptations and merchandise, which allows for Disney's incarnation of Winnie the Pooh to still be held under trademark by Disney. Oh bother.

themodelplumber 5y ago
We should make an IceBear fork!
robin_reala 5y ago
Honestly, why would you bother with Disney’s boring incarnation of Pooh when you’ve got Shepherd’s original illustrations?
- deleted 5y ago
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- Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
  Because it's the one all kids know from books and TV. I wouldn't even know where to look for a book with the original illustrations (I mean, if I spent some time searching hard I guess I could, but that's not the point).
  - kwhitefoot 5y ago
    Here you are: https://www.waterstones.com/book/when-we-were-very-young/a-a-milne/e-h-shepard/9780008512538 https://www.waterstones.com/book/when-we-were-very-young/a-a... Took less than 30 seconds.
  - mcv 5y ago
    Finding a book with the original illustrations will be a lot easier once it's public domain.
- open-source-ux 5y ago
  There is an alternative animated version of Winnie the Pooh made in Russia in 1969 by the director Fyodor Khitruk. Pooh is more lively than the Disney version - and has a very different character design to Disney (or Shepherd's original illustrations). To be fair to Disney, their Pooh design is closer to the spirit of Sherpherd's illustrations (but can't match the charm of Sherpherd's illustrations). "When Khitruk visited the Disney Studios, Wolfgang Reitherman, the author of Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day that won the 1968 Academy Award for Best Animated Short Film, told him that he liked the Soviet version better than his own." [1] Winnie the Pooh (1969) in Russian with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCXegrxlKbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCXegrxlKbI [1] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh_(1969_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh_(1969_film)
  - xattt 5y ago
    To give a sense of Russian “Vinny Pu”, he was a pleasure to watch for kids and adults alike. There was a running commentary on everything that was happening around him. The fourth wall was occasionally broken. The closest equivalent to current television’s programming is the Australian show Bluey.
  - unbanned 5y ago
    Sounds an awful lot like Yoshi
- dubya 5y ago
  May I recommend the audiobook version with Stephen Fry as Pooh, and an ensemble of other very talented actors? It's on Audible but your local library may have it on CD. I've heard it dozens of times by now and look forward to hearing it again sometime.
- Ingaz 5y ago
  For me it's: "why would yoy bother with Disney's boring incarnation of Pooh when you've got brilliant Soviet Winnie?" I'm serious. Try find it if you didn't saw it
thaumasiotes 5y ago
Something similar happened with Sherlock Holmes, where IIRC the first two volumes of stories fell out of copyright, but the third volume was still copyrighted and using elements introduced there was forbidden. This is a terrible conceptual mistake on the part of copyright law.
- account-5 5y ago
  I think most of copyright law is a conceptual mistake seeing as it hardly serves the artists at all.
  - gambiting 5y ago
    I think the biggest mistake is the assumption that if others were allowed to use your creation in their works, you would suffer in some way, that it would be taking money and/or fame from the original artist. I think it couldn't be further from the truth. For instance, look at Dmitri Glukhovsky and his Metro books - be basically allowed anyone to write any books placed within the same universe, still using the "Metro" logo and characters. Dozens of other books appeared, telling the tales of other metro systems elsewhere in the world and how they've dealt with the apocalypse - but the point is, all those other books have only increased the popularity of the original, and expanded it. The other good example, weirdly, was always Star Wars books - especially pre-Disney star wars was very lenient with what stories could be told, and unless it was just straight up smut it would be allowed - as a result, star wars fans had hundreds(thousands?) Of books telling stories with their favourite characters and new ones but taking place in the universe they loved. Yes Lucas took a cut, but in general you could just write a book about Han Solo and it would be fine. That's how copyright should work. Why not let other people tell stories with Pooh and the rest?
    - OtomotO 5y ago
      I totally and wholeheartedly agree with you. Here is the but: imagine someone were to publish a story set in your universe where suddenly the nazis took over and everyone liked it. This is an extreme point, but it's one reason not to allow everyone to use your trademark without prior asking. Because maybe you're not okay with that AND suddenly your a bit famous works are in the same pot with something you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole aaaand your sales go down. Today's outrage culture could cancel you, even if you did nothing wrong. In a better universe I am all with you and I personally would feel honored and flattered if other people would use my created worlds for their works

themodelplumber 5y ago

We should make an IceBear fork!

robin_reala 5y ago

Honestly, why would you bother with Disney’s boring incarnation of Pooh when you’ve got Shepherd’s original illustrations?

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Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
Because it's the one all kids know from books and TV. I wouldn't even know where to look for a book with the original illustrations (I mean, if I spent some time searching hard I guess I could, but that's not the point).
- kwhitefoot 5y ago
  Here you are: https://www.waterstones.com/book/when-we-were-very-young/a-a-milne/e-h-shepard/9780008512538 https://www.waterstones.com/book/when-we-were-very-young/a-a... Took less than 30 seconds.
- mcv 5y ago
  Finding a book with the original illustrations will be a lot easier once it's public domain.
open-source-ux 5y ago
There is an alternative animated version of Winnie the Pooh made in Russia in 1969 by the director Fyodor Khitruk. Pooh is more lively than the Disney version - and has a very different character design to Disney (or Shepherd's original illustrations). To be fair to Disney, their Pooh design is closer to the spirit of Sherpherd's illustrations (but can't match the charm of Sherpherd's illustrations). "When Khitruk visited the Disney Studios, Wolfgang Reitherman, the author of Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day that won the 1968 Academy Award for Best Animated Short Film, told him that he liked the Soviet version better than his own." [1] Winnie the Pooh (1969) in Russian with English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCXegrxlKbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCXegrxlKbI [1] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh_(1969_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh_(1969_film)
- xattt 5y ago
  To give a sense of Russian “Vinny Pu”, he was a pleasure to watch for kids and adults alike. There was a running commentary on everything that was happening around him. The fourth wall was occasionally broken. The closest equivalent to current television’s programming is the Australian show Bluey.
- unbanned 5y ago
  Sounds an awful lot like Yoshi
dubya 5y ago
May I recommend the audiobook version with Stephen Fry as Pooh, and an ensemble of other very talented actors? It's on Audible but your local library may have it on CD. I've heard it dozens of times by now and look forward to hearing it again sometime.
Ingaz 5y ago
For me it's: "why would yoy bother with Disney's boring incarnation of Pooh when you've got brilliant Soviet Winnie?" I'm serious. Try find it if you didn't saw it

thaumasiotes 5y ago

Something similar happened with Sherlock Holmes, where IIRC the first two volumes of stories fell out of copyright, but the third volume was still copyrighted and using elements introduced there was forbidden. This is a terrible conceptual mistake on the part of copyright law.

account-5 5y ago
I think most of copyright law is a conceptual mistake seeing as it hardly serves the artists at all.
- gambiting 5y ago
  I think the biggest mistake is the assumption that if others were allowed to use your creation in their works, you would suffer in some way, that it would be taking money and/or fame from the original artist. I think it couldn't be further from the truth. For instance, look at Dmitri Glukhovsky and his Metro books - be basically allowed anyone to write any books placed within the same universe, still using the "Metro" logo and characters. Dozens of other books appeared, telling the tales of other metro systems elsewhere in the world and how they've dealt with the apocalypse - but the point is, all those other books have only increased the popularity of the original, and expanded it. The other good example, weirdly, was always Star Wars books - especially pre-Disney star wars was very lenient with what stories could be told, and unless it was just straight up smut it would be allowed - as a result, star wars fans had hundreds(thousands?) Of books telling stories with their favourite characters and new ones but taking place in the universe they loved. Yes Lucas took a cut, but in general you could just write a book about Han Solo and it would be fine. That's how copyright should work. Why not let other people tell stories with Pooh and the rest?
  - OtomotO 5y ago
    I totally and wholeheartedly agree with you. Here is the but: imagine someone were to publish a story set in your universe where suddenly the nazis took over and everyone liked it. This is an extreme point, but it's one reason not to allow everyone to use your trademark without prior asking. Because maybe you're not okay with that AND suddenly your a bit famous works are in the same pot with something you wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole aaaand your sales go down. Today's outrage culture could cancel you, even if you did nothing wrong. In a better universe I am all with you and I personally would feel honored and flattered if other people would use my created worlds for their works