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So? What is your point? Is your point to bring down those who have made it to the top on their own merit because you believe someone somewhere in their ancestry

So? What is your point? Is your point to bring down those who have made it to the top on their own merit because you believe someone somewhere in their ancestry gave them a "massive leg up"? How do you prove that? And even if you can prove it, what is the fault of the person who was born into privilege? Do you mean to fault them for being born into it? If it was Nepotism I would agree with you completely. But if it was purely out of their own efforts that would be immoral. Even if it was built on a foundation left by that person's predecessors. I would rather focus on helping those who haven't made progress because they were systematically suppressed and be given a massive leg up. That shouldn't come at the cost of those who genuinely put their own efforts to climb the ladder in their respective fields. We have enough jobs and money to afford both. To help those who are systematically suppressed as well as continue to hire those who are born into privilege. Definitely not at expense of each other only because we want to check off some morality list. Both are human beings at the end of the day. I would want to see both prosper.

lolinder 5y ago
> Is your point to bring down those who have made it to the top on their own merit because you believe someone somewhere in their ancestry gave them a "massive leg up"? How do you prove that? And even if you can prove it, what is the fault of the person who was born into privilege? Do you mean to fault them for being born into it? No, no, and no. I'm not proposing that we should tear anyone down, nor that we should stop hiring qualified people on the grounds that they were privileged. I agree with you 100% that that would be unfair and counterproductive. What I'm arguing for is not a policy change, it's a paradigm shift. I believe that the first step to effecting real change in generational cycles of poverty is to acknowledge that generational cycles exist at all. Wealth does not simply flow to those who have merit--merit is in most (but not all) cases a product of wealth. It's a feedback loop. We cannot place full credit for success on the shoulders of the privileged without also placing full blame for failure on the shoulders of the downtrodden. To acknowledge and fix the generational cycles that keep people down, we have to first acknowledge and study the generational cycles that prop people up.
- KrishnaShripad 5y ago
  > acknowledge that generational cycles exist at all I agree with your sentiment. However, what typically happens is, when we do acknowledge the generational cycles, we have a reactionary attitude towards the issues of the past. The downtrodden feel "betrayed" while the privileged feel "guilt". At this point, you need to be able to resolve the issue in a manner in which both are not left feeling discriminated again. However, the situation is different in India. Reservation system is not the same as Affirmative Action in US. Rather, Reservation System is now practicing reverse discrimination[1] with official stamp from Government of India. [1]: https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/awareness/affirmative-action-the-system-of-reservations-and-quotas-in-india/ https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/awareness/affirmativ... So what ended up happening is that instead of giving a leg up to the downtrodden, we reversed discrimination and now discriminate on upper castes through reservation quotas while also giving a leg up to the downtrodden. Most upper castes don't complain and instead just migrate abroad for greener pastures and typically occupy high positions in Western companies. Which is also one of the reasons why Western firms have more Upper Castes as opposed to Lower Castes. Lower Castes prefer Government jobs. Government jobs have a lot of social value in India as it comes with promise of security and prestige. Especially if you get into Administrative Services.

lolinder 5y ago

> Is your point to bring down those who have made it to the top on their own merit because you believe someone somewhere in their ancestry gave them a "massive leg up"? How do you prove that? And even if you can prove it, what is the fault of the person who was born into privilege? Do you mean to fault them for being born into it? No, no, and no. I'm not proposing that we should tear anyone down, nor that we should stop hiring qualified people on the grounds that they were privileged. I agree with you 100% that that would be unfair and counterproductive. What I'm arguing for is not a policy change, it's a paradigm shift. I believe that the first step to effecting real change in generational cycles of poverty is to acknowledge that generational cycles exist at all. Wealth does not simply flow to those who have merit--merit is in most (but not all) cases a product of wealth. It's a feedback loop. We cannot place full credit for success on the shoulders of the privileged without also placing full blame for failure on the shoulders of the downtrodden. To acknowledge and fix the generational cycles that keep people down, we have to first acknowledge and study the generational cycles that prop people up.

KrishnaShripad 5y ago
> acknowledge that generational cycles exist at all I agree with your sentiment. However, what typically happens is, when we do acknowledge the generational cycles, we have a reactionary attitude towards the issues of the past. The downtrodden feel "betrayed" while the privileged feel "guilt". At this point, you need to be able to resolve the issue in a manner in which both are not left feeling discriminated again. However, the situation is different in India. Reservation system is not the same as Affirmative Action in US. Rather, Reservation System is now practicing reverse discrimination[1] with official stamp from Government of India. [1]: https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/awareness/affirmative-action-the-system-of-reservations-and-quotas-in-india/ https://thelogicalindian.com/story-feed/awareness/affirmativ... So what ended up happening is that instead of giving a leg up to the downtrodden, we reversed discrimination and now discriminate on upper castes through reservation quotas while also giving a leg up to the downtrodden. Most upper castes don't complain and instead just migrate abroad for greener pastures and typically occupy high positions in Western companies. Which is also one of the reasons why Western firms have more Upper Castes as opposed to Lower Castes. Lower Castes prefer Government jobs. Government jobs have a lot of social value in India as it comes with promise of security and prestige. Especially if you get into Administrative Services.