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> word WORD Word and woRD as the same thing I don't know about anyone else, but I read WORD as someone yelling, Word as designating/specifying a "word" with so

> word WORD Word and woRD as the same thing I don't know about anyone else, but I read WORD as someone yelling, Word as designating/specifying a "word" with some importance, and woRD as the mocking Spongebob meme. I absolutely don't read "case insensitive" and I don't think filesystems should either.

jodrellblank 5y ago
You read DOG as someone yelling ‘dog’, not as a different word to ‘dog’. And Dog as a significant dog, not a significant something else. Imagine if you could only search for ‘dog’ if you had to specify whether the author yelled it or not before you could find it.
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  It sounds like you're saying that cases should matter in some ways but not in others, which I take no issue with.
  - jodrellblank 5y ago
    Case can have information in it, like color and underline and boldface and italics can carry information. I think it would be clever if Google let me colour my search text and then only found text which was rendered in the same colour, but terrible if colouring my search text was mandatory and it then only found pages with text in the same colour. Likewise terrible if your code editor searched only for code with syntax highlighting matching the colours you typed in the search box. Dog in bold, italics, red, green, uppercase, lowercase, initialcaps, smallcaps, are all the same word. What "the same" means has fuzzy boundaries and sometimes needs very precise specification, but I personally want the default to be the fuzzy convenient and the hyper-literal to be available as a fallback. [I notice that I used 'color' and 'colour' here. My native language is UK English and programming languages and much of the internet use US English. I'm not sure if I would want `vim colour.txt` to open `color.txt`. Probably not. PowerShell 7 has a suggestions feature for "you typed a command which wasn't found, here are the most similar command names:" - mentioned in https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/10546 https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/10546 ]
    - josefx 5y ago
      > Dog in bold, italics, red, green, uppercase, lowercase, initialcaps, smallcaps, are all the same word. But that is a feature of the word Dog, try the German words maßen (limited amounts) and massen (large amounts), historically they share the same upper case rendering MASSEN. Now someone versed in German could change to the alternative MASZEN or use the rather modern upper case version of ß. However the default naive (and most of the time correct) conversion between cases looses a significant amount of information.
rob_c 5y ago
Have to agree. It's also usually only about 10 lines of code to support both insensitive and sensitive searching for those who can't read English that way.
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  You've done the same thing here as your other comment. Here suggesting that people "can't read English" and in your other comment suggesting that people "can't get their head around capslock and don't deserve support". What about people who CAN read English that way, but think having to match case when searching or referencing text hinders more than it helps?
  - rob_c 5y ago
    Then the search tool should support not being case sensitive. I understand the efficiency of case insensitive search (otherwise Google's empire wouldn't exist). But having it enforced as the source of all truth is just broken.

jodrellblank 5y ago

You read DOG as someone yelling ‘dog’, not as a different word to ‘dog’. And Dog as a significant dog, not a significant something else. Imagine if you could only search for ‘dog’ if you had to specify whether the author yelled it or not before you could find it.

DangitBobby 5y ago
It sounds like you're saying that cases should matter in some ways but not in others, which I take no issue with.
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  Case can have information in it, like color and underline and boldface and italics can carry information. I think it would be clever if Google let me colour my search text and then only found text which was rendered in the same colour, but terrible if colouring my search text was mandatory and it then only found pages with text in the same colour. Likewise terrible if your code editor searched only for code with syntax highlighting matching the colours you typed in the search box. Dog in bold, italics, red, green, uppercase, lowercase, initialcaps, smallcaps, are all the same word. What "the same" means has fuzzy boundaries and sometimes needs very precise specification, but I personally want the default to be the fuzzy convenient and the hyper-literal to be available as a fallback. [I notice that I used 'color' and 'colour' here. My native language is UK English and programming languages and much of the internet use US English. I'm not sure if I would want `vim colour.txt` to open `color.txt`. Probably not. PowerShell 7 has a suggestions feature for "you typed a command which wasn't found, here are the most similar command names:" - mentioned in https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/10546 https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/10546 ]
  - josefx 5y ago
    > Dog in bold, italics, red, green, uppercase, lowercase, initialcaps, smallcaps, are all the same word. But that is a feature of the word Dog, try the German words maßen (limited amounts) and massen (large amounts), historically they share the same upper case rendering MASSEN. Now someone versed in German could change to the alternative MASZEN or use the rather modern upper case version of ß. However the default naive (and most of the time correct) conversion between cases looses a significant amount of information.

rob_c 5y ago

Have to agree. It's also usually only about 10 lines of code to support both insensitive and sensitive searching for those who can't read English that way.

jodrellblank 5y ago
You've done the same thing here as your other comment. Here suggesting that people "can't read English" and in your other comment suggesting that people "can't get their head around capslock and don't deserve support". What about people who CAN read English that way, but think having to match case when searching or referencing text hinders more than it helps?
- rob_c 5y ago
  Then the search tool should support not being case sensitive. I understand the efficiency of case insensitive search (otherwise Google's empire wouldn't exist). But having it enforced as the source of all truth is just broken.