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All of the analogies seem to miss the mark. This is equivalent to lawfully asking a clerk in a records office for the public information about a teacher. They

All of the analogies seem to miss the mark. This is equivalent to lawfully asking a clerk in a records office for the public information about a teacher. They give you all the information, including the social security number and then ask you to pretend they didn't tell you that.

ozfive 5y ago
The analogy of the locked front door is correct, except the governor got it completely wrong. The truth to that analogy is that the reporter came along to a house where the keys were left in the lock. He knocks on the door politely and says: "Hey your keys have been left in the lock. Try and come up with a solution so that this doesn't happen again and a true threat actor to your belongings would come along and steal your valuable things." I can't tell you the number of times I have alerted people to this at their front doors or their mailboxes. It happens. Every single person has responded with graceful humility. This exposes the lack of graceful humility that the governor and potentially the DA lack. This is a basic civility exchange where it's obvious these people shouldn't be in power. EDIT: if the courts do not recognize this for what it is we are in bigger trouble than we imagine already.
- notreallyserio 5y ago
  > EDIT: if the courts do not recognize this for what it is we are in bigger trouble than we imagine already. If this goes to court and the judge doesn't reject this and fine/imprison the governor and DA over malicious prosecution then we're in big trouble.
  - ozfive 5y ago
    Well some people have suggested that certain laws can be cited to make this happen. The likelihood of this succeeding is slim to none. What every citizen in this country needs to understand is that everyone is divided on purpose. Political beliefs are there to divide us among many other attempts to divide us. Your political beliefs have nothing to do with the safety of the American people and if you believe otherwise you have played into that fishing expedition hook line and sinker. EDIT: find some common ground with your fellow man and strengthen those bonds. I do it daily with people who are "set in their ways" they really aren't; They just need to be heard out about their concerns and they need to be put to rest by finding that common ground. We are all humans first and foremost and hobbies are a good way to either share your skills or learn a new one.
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    - dansiemens 5y ago
      > EDIT: find some common ground with your fellow man and strengthen those bonds Agreed. Never underestimate what you can learn from others.
      - ozfive 5y ago
        I try to find common ground usually. Far out contrarian views tend to make me pause and evaluate the value given.
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gdavisson 5y ago
Agreed; none of the analogies I've seen are really close. I have a couple of attempts: Analogy 1: the reporter got a letter from DESE, and noticed that there was confidential information printed on the inside of the envelope. Analogy 2: the reporter got a letter from DESE, and noticed there was a block of intra-office info (document ID, routing codes, etc) at the bottom, and that contained confidential information. In either case, the critical thing is that the information was sent to him, just in a form/place people don't normally read.
- aidenn0 5y ago
  I like analogy #1 the best so far. People could be sending each other letters with confidential information on the insides of envelopes (particularly if it's under the part that is glued together) without realizing it, and taking the envelope apart would reveal it. Another (digital) analogy is when departments sent out PDFs with black rectangles drawn over text, and someone just opened it up in a PDF editor and deleted the rectangles.
- version_five 5y ago
  I think "inside the envelope" is still too obscure. Maybe better (but getting strained) to say the reporter had a secretary who usually opens his mail and only sends him a summary of his correspondence based on keywords he's interested in. But when he opens his own mail one day, he sees it has confidential information included in it, which his secretary has not been forwarding because it doesn't match the keywords. Overall, I agree with the person who said analogies make it more confusing.
bawolff 5y ago
Sometimes analogies caue more confusion then they clarify. I think this is one of those cases. The underlying issue isn't complicated, we should just tell people what it is directly.

ozfive 5y ago

The analogy of the locked front door is correct, except the governor got it completely wrong. The truth to that analogy is that the reporter came along to a house where the keys were left in the lock. He knocks on the door politely and says: "Hey your keys have been left in the lock. Try and come up with a solution so that this doesn't happen again and a true threat actor to your belongings would come along and steal your valuable things." I can't tell you the number of times I have alerted people to this at their front doors or their mailboxes. It happens. Every single person has responded with graceful humility. This exposes the lack of graceful humility that the governor and potentially the DA lack. This is a basic civility exchange where it's obvious these people shouldn't be in power. EDIT: if the courts do not recognize this for what it is we are in bigger trouble than we imagine already.

notreallyserio 5y ago
> EDIT: if the courts do not recognize this for what it is we are in bigger trouble than we imagine already. If this goes to court and the judge doesn't reject this and fine/imprison the governor and DA over malicious prosecution then we're in big trouble.
- ozfive 5y ago
  Well some people have suggested that certain laws can be cited to make this happen. The likelihood of this succeeding is slim to none. What every citizen in this country needs to understand is that everyone is divided on purpose. Political beliefs are there to divide us among many other attempts to divide us. Your political beliefs have nothing to do with the safety of the American people and if you believe otherwise you have played into that fishing expedition hook line and sinker. EDIT: find some common ground with your fellow man and strengthen those bonds. I do it daily with people who are "set in their ways" they really aren't; They just need to be heard out about their concerns and they need to be put to rest by finding that common ground. We are all humans first and foremost and hobbies are a good way to either share your skills or learn a new one.
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  - dansiemens 5y ago
    > EDIT: find some common ground with your fellow man and strengthen those bonds Agreed. Never underestimate what you can learn from others.
    - ozfive 5y ago
      I try to find common ground usually. Far out contrarian views tend to make me pause and evaluate the value given.
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gdavisson 5y ago

Agreed; none of the analogies I've seen are really close. I have a couple of attempts: Analogy 1: the reporter got a letter from DESE, and noticed that there was confidential information printed on the inside of the envelope. Analogy 2: the reporter got a letter from DESE, and noticed there was a block of intra-office info (document ID, routing codes, etc) at the bottom, and that contained confidential information. In either case, the critical thing is that the information was sent to him, just in a form/place people don't normally read.

aidenn0 5y ago
I like analogy #1 the best so far. People could be sending each other letters with confidential information on the insides of envelopes (particularly if it's under the part that is glued together) without realizing it, and taking the envelope apart would reveal it. Another (digital) analogy is when departments sent out PDFs with black rectangles drawn over text, and someone just opened it up in a PDF editor and deleted the rectangles.
version_five 5y ago
I think "inside the envelope" is still too obscure. Maybe better (but getting strained) to say the reporter had a secretary who usually opens his mail and only sends him a summary of his correspondence based on keywords he's interested in. But when he opens his own mail one day, he sees it has confidential information included in it, which his secretary has not been forwarding because it doesn't match the keywords. Overall, I agree with the person who said analogies make it more confusing.

bawolff 5y ago

Sometimes analogies caue more confusion then they clarify. I think this is one of those cases. The underlying issue isn't complicated, we should just tell people what it is directly.