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Imagine if they didn't have a union representing them. I think it's about a 0% chance Spirit does this without it.

dehrmann 5y ago
> Coupled with the prospect of dealing with unruly passengers, many pilots and cabin crew are even forgoing overtime incentives. I doubt their union had much to do with this beyond saying "yes" and passing on the good news. Spirit did this because they're desperate to not cancel more flights.
streetcat1 5y ago
I would imagine that without unions, flight attended would probably earn much more today without the need for a raise. The fact is that those flight attended are working at 1/3 of the market rate currently.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  It's an interesting market because the job was historically glamorous, requires minimal skills (HS diploma) and training (10 weeks?), and has the perk of free travel. That's a recipe for low wages, and the reality is the job can be a slog, and the perks are only good if you're with a major carrier.
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    You also historically had to be female, white, thin, attractive, and basically look like a Barbie Doll.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    Back in PanAm days it was a job you mostly did for five years post HS or college and then got married. I’m told the situation still somewhat applies in the big Asian carriers that get all the top ratings.
  - streetcat1 5y ago
    In which case, why do they got 3X raise? Did they increase the req for the job?
- ssklash 5y ago
  They also work for a budget airline known for cutting costs, so I doubt it's the union driving down wages, in this case.
  - streetcat1 5y ago
    why you doubt that? They are working at 1/3 of the rate, no?
HEmanZ 5y ago
I would guess they are doing this entirely to keep people working through this crazy season. I have had 3 legs of flights cancelled (on different airlines) over the holidays due to lack of staff. I think if this had anything to do with unions it would have happened a while ago.

> Coupled with the prospect of dealing with unruly passengers, many pilots and cabin crew are even forgoing overtime incentives. I doubt their union had much to do with this beyond saying "yes" and passing on the good news. Spirit did this because they're desperate to not cancel more flights.

streetcat1 5y ago

I would imagine that without unions, flight attended would probably earn much more today without the need for a raise. The fact is that those flight attended are working at 1/3 of the market rate currently.

dehrmann 5y ago
It's an interesting market because the job was historically glamorous, requires minimal skills (HS diploma) and training (10 weeks?), and has the perk of free travel. That's a recipe for low wages, and the reality is the job can be a slog, and the perks are only good if you're with a major carrier.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  You also historically had to be female, white, thin, attractive, and basically look like a Barbie Doll.
- ghaff 5y ago
  Back in PanAm days it was a job you mostly did for five years post HS or college and then got married. I’m told the situation still somewhat applies in the big Asian carriers that get all the top ratings.
- streetcat1 5y ago
  In which case, why do they got 3X raise? Did they increase the req for the job?
ssklash 5y ago
They also work for a budget airline known for cutting costs, so I doubt it's the union driving down wages, in this case.
- streetcat1 5y ago
  why you doubt that? They are working at 1/3 of the rate, no?

HEmanZ 5y ago

I would guess they are doing this entirely to keep people working through this crazy season. I have had 3 legs of flights cancelled (on different airlines) over the holidays due to lack of staff. I think if this had anything to do with unions it would have happened a while ago.