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this only works in one country at a time, you can rest assured that other governments have your face tucked away in a datacenter

woodruffw 5y ago
Sure. I'll work on fixing the place I live, sleep, and eat for the time being. Liechtenstein can wait!
- rebuilder 5y ago
  But can the other Five Eyes states wait? Offshoring outlawed domestic surveillance to allies seems to be the name of the game now.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    I'm not confident that anything will stop US military and defense intelligence (which is completely distinct from the FBI, as a domestic LEO) from doing shady things. Instead of worrying about how they're going to get around the law (they can do parallel construction on the Moon, for all I care), I'd prefer to have a sufficiently big punishment waiting for them when the public finally learns about it.
    - OtomotO 5y ago
      Time will punish them. As it did with any imperium in the past, as it will until the last ape on this space rock has ushered their last breadth. Time is lord of all of us. Peasants and emperors alike
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    There is no evidence that this happens, and it is illegal for the US government to ask another country to spy on its citizens. If it happened, the resulting lawsuits would make headlines for weeks, and there would be forced resignations.
    - justinclift 5y ago
      > There is no evidence that this happens ... Didn't the Snowden documents and various things from that point give evidence that it _does_ happen?
      - tata71 5y ago
        GP found HN that year, might have missed the headlines. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_%282013%E2%80%93present%29 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosu...
        lern_too_spel 5y ago
        Point me to any document that says the US asks other countries to spy on its citizens.
      - lern_too_spel 5y ago
        No. Nothing in Snowden's leaks showed this happening. If anything did, there would have been lawsuits. People believe there were a lot of things in those leaks that weren't actually there.
syshum 5y ago
Other governments lack the ability to take my property, take my freedom, or take my life. FBI has the ability, with a single action, to ruin any resident's of the US life, I think that is significantly more worrisome than if Russia or China has my face unless I lived in Russia or China
- ozfive 5y ago
  I didn't down-vote you as I believe views like this should be stated but responded to properly. Your safety from foreign governments is not guaranteed even if you live within the borders of the United States. A perfect example of this is a post by someone else here on Hacker News pertaining to the tools that the Chinese government uses to identify dissidents outside of their borders. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/business/china-internet-police-twitter.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/business/china-internet-p...
  - syshum 5y ago
    Nothing in that story seems to concern me or most US Citizens, if you are a Chinese citizen living in the US, attended a US University then return home sure you should be concerned and I do not condone the actions of China. However I am a Natural Born US Citizen, and I have no plans or desire to ever visit China, Russia, or even Europe And lets be real here. FBI is not much different, and has more direct control over people in the US than the china bogey man you are attempting to peddle
    - ozfive 5y ago
      - syshum 5y ago
        >>You will certainly live an uneventful, forgettable life with that attitude. That is the dream, and desire. I want a uneventful, drama free, peaceful existence. Nor do I have the desire to leave a "legacy" or be remembered in anyway, I can not understand the desire for celebrity. >>It is clear that you add very little value in the future of humanity overall. That in itself isn't condemnable. lol, yes I am sure your contributions will change the world. Narcissism much? >>What is however is your blatant disregard for others with your selfish statements. My statements are realist. My statements are based on the reality of the world, I am not sure why you believe my statements are a "disregard for others" in my acknowledgement of the fact that in my situation the FBI is more of a threat to me than CCP, where as the CCP is more of a threat to a Chinese national than the FBI. That is a statement of fact, your denial of this fact does not change reality >>I hope to never encounter you again on HN as your world view is very limited. Period. Feel free to ignore reality at your own peril

woodruffw 5y ago

Sure. I'll work on fixing the place I live, sleep, and eat for the time being. Liechtenstein can wait!

rebuilder 5y ago
But can the other Five Eyes states wait? Offshoring outlawed domestic surveillance to allies seems to be the name of the game now.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  I'm not confident that anything will stop US military and defense intelligence (which is completely distinct from the FBI, as a domestic LEO) from doing shady things. Instead of worrying about how they're going to get around the law (they can do parallel construction on the Moon, for all I care), I'd prefer to have a sufficiently big punishment waiting for them when the public finally learns about it.
  - OtomotO 5y ago
    Time will punish them. As it did with any imperium in the past, as it will until the last ape on this space rock has ushered their last breadth. Time is lord of all of us. Peasants and emperors alike
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  There is no evidence that this happens, and it is illegal for the US government to ask another country to spy on its citizens. If it happened, the resulting lawsuits would make headlines for weeks, and there would be forced resignations.
  - justinclift 5y ago
    > There is no evidence that this happens ... Didn't the Snowden documents and various things from that point give evidence that it _does_ happen?
    - tata71 5y ago
      GP found HN that year, might have missed the headlines. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_%282013%E2%80%93present%29 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosu...
      - lern_too_spel 5y ago
        Point me to any document that says the US asks other countries to spy on its citizens.
    - lern_too_spel 5y ago
      No. Nothing in Snowden's leaks showed this happening. If anything did, there would have been lawsuits. People believe there were a lot of things in those leaks that weren't actually there.

syshum 5y ago

Other governments lack the ability to take my property, take my freedom, or take my life. FBI has the ability, with a single action, to ruin any resident's of the US life, I think that is significantly more worrisome than if Russia or China has my face unless I lived in Russia or China

ozfive 5y ago
I didn't down-vote you as I believe views like this should be stated but responded to properly. Your safety from foreign governments is not guaranteed even if you live within the borders of the United States. A perfect example of this is a post by someone else here on Hacker News pertaining to the tools that the Chinese government uses to identify dissidents outside of their borders. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/business/china-internet-police-twitter.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/business/china-internet-p...
- syshum 5y ago
  Nothing in that story seems to concern me or most US Citizens, if you are a Chinese citizen living in the US, attended a US University then return home sure you should be concerned and I do not condone the actions of China. However I am a Natural Born US Citizen, and I have no plans or desire to ever visit China, Russia, or even Europe And lets be real here. FBI is not much different, and has more direct control over people in the US than the china bogey man you are attempting to peddle
  - ozfive 5y ago
    - syshum 5y ago
      >>You will certainly live an uneventful, forgettable life with that attitude. That is the dream, and desire. I want a uneventful, drama free, peaceful existence. Nor do I have the desire to leave a "legacy" or be remembered in anyway, I can not understand the desire for celebrity. >>It is clear that you add very little value in the future of humanity overall. That in itself isn't condemnable. lol, yes I am sure your contributions will change the world. Narcissism much? >>What is however is your blatant disregard for others with your selfish statements. My statements are realist. My statements are based on the reality of the world, I am not sure why you believe my statements are a "disregard for others" in my acknowledgement of the fact that in my situation the FBI is more of a threat to me than CCP, where as the CCP is more of a threat to a Chinese national than the FBI. That is a statement of fact, your denial of this fact does not change reality >>I hope to never encounter you again on HN as your world view is very limited. Period. Feel free to ignore reality at your own peril