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> UK has one of the best vaccination strategies in the world Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death ra

> UK has one of the best vaccination strategies in the world Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020.[a] In practice, what did the EU really get wrong with the vaccines, other than generating some unjustifiably smug headlines from the UK right-wing press? The UK can't even say it got a good deal on the vaccines, having paid 50% more per dose than than EU.[b] [a] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799 [b] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281

systemvoltage 5y ago
I don't know where to even begin. I'll just leave you with this about the EU's vaccination fuck up. They were hamstrung with negotation of prices where the rest of the world including US moved on. There were several discussions on HN about this: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-covid-19-vaccination-programme-went-wrong https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-co... > Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020 Very disingenious to quote pre-vaccination death rates and studies from 2020. I am specifically talking about post-vaccination phase of UK. They have 70% vaccination rate, much higher than EU which is at abysmal 54% (Data from Nov 2021). https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-fully-vaccinated-who-official-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-... Quoting misleading data and then immediately jumping on to bashing right-wing UK media isn't helping your arugments. Here is the WHO data on vaccination rates, UK sits at the very tippy top: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&hideControls=true&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ALB~AUT~BLR~BEL~BIH~BGR~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~MDA~MNE~NLD~MKD~PRT~ROU~RUS~SVK~ESP~UKR~GBR~VAT&Metric=Vaccine+doses https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  Sorry if you think my figures are out of date. I'm happy to consider the current totals instead. According to Worldometer[0], for example, the UK is slightly worse in terms of "Deaths / 1M pop" than Greece and Spain, which is the median EU country for that statistic. So it's not at all clear that the UK would have been in a worse position if it had been able to take advantage of the EU's lower vaccine price, and in any case, being an EU member wouldn't have prevented the UK from securing its own vaccine supply, as Hungary did. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

systemvoltage 5y ago

I don't know where to even begin. I'll just leave you with this about the EU's vaccination fuck up. They were hamstrung with negotation of prices where the rest of the world including US moved on. There were several discussions on HN about this: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-covid-19-vaccination-programme-went-wrong https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-co... > Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020 Very disingenious to quote pre-vaccination death rates and studies from 2020. I am specifically talking about post-vaccination phase of UK. They have 70% vaccination rate, much higher than EU which is at abysmal 54% (Data from Nov 2021). https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-fully-vaccinated-who-official-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-... Quoting misleading data and then immediately jumping on to bashing right-wing UK media isn't helping your arugments. Here is the WHO data on vaccination rates, UK sits at the very tippy top: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&hideControls=true&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ALB~AUT~BLR~BEL~BIH~BGR~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~MDA~MNE~NLD~MKD~PRT~ROU~RUS~SVK~ESP~UKR~GBR~VAT&Metric=Vaccine+doses https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

dane-pgp 5y ago
Sorry if you think my figures are out of date. I'm happy to consider the current totals instead. According to Worldometer[0], for example, the UK is slightly worse in terms of "Deaths / 1M pop" than Greece and Spain, which is the median EU country for that statistic. So it's not at all clear that the UK would have been in a worse position if it had been able to take advantage of the EU's lower vaccine price, and in any case, being an EU member wouldn't have prevented the UK from securing its own vaccine supply, as Hungary did. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries