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I'm sad that the UK has left the EU. Out of Germany, France and the UK, they always seemed like the voice of reason and the least bureaucratic. I can't exactly

I'm sad that the UK has left the EU. Out of Germany, France and the UK, they always seemed like the voice of reason and the least bureaucratic. I can't exactly pinpoint why I think that but here are some examples - (1) they don't make ridiculous policy decisions such as shutting down nuclear power plants (ok, leaving the EU is an exception to this) (2) best at e-government (3) seems like a good environment for startups, for example almost all European fusion startups are from the UK (4) their politicians don't end up working for Russian energy companies.

rmbyrro 5y ago
Maybe Brittons got tired of so many ridiculous policies from the EU shoving down their throats?... Not saying I'm pro or against Brexit, just that your point seems to corroborate their decision to leave.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I initially opposed the move but now it sort of makes sense. Previously I was influencing my own thoughts from the liberal media sphere but the more you dig into the reasons why UK left the EU, the more convinced I am. Just look at the vaccine fuck ups by the EU. UK has one of the best vaccination strategies in the world barring smaller nations like Israel, UAE and Qatar. And of course, China.
  - rmbyrro 5y ago
    Yes, it's sad to admit but, from many angles, leaving do seem to be a relatively better choice.
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    > UK has one of the best vaccination strategies in the world Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020.[a] In practice, what did the EU really get wrong with the vaccines, other than generating some unjustifiably smug headlines from the UK right-wing press? The UK can't even say it got a good deal on the vaccines, having paid 50% more per dose than than EU.[b] [a] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799 [b] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281
    - systemvoltage 5y ago
      I don't know where to even begin. I'll just leave you with this about the EU's vaccination fuck up. They were hamstrung with negotation of prices where the rest of the world including US moved on. There were several discussions on HN about this: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-covid-19-vaccination-programme-went-wrong https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-co... > Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020 Very disingenious to quote pre-vaccination death rates and studies from 2020. I am specifically talking about post-vaccination phase of UK. They have 70% vaccination rate, much higher than EU which is at abysmal 54% (Data from Nov 2021). https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-fully-vaccinated-who-official-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-... Quoting misleading data and then immediately jumping on to bashing right-wing UK media isn't helping your arugments. Here is the WHO data on vaccination rates, UK sits at the very tippy top: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&hideControls=true&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ALB~AUT~BLR~BEL~BIH~BGR~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~MDA~MNE~NLD~MKD~PRT~ROU~RUS~SVK~ESP~UKR~GBR~VAT&Metric=Vaccine+doses https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
      - dane-pgp 5y ago
        Sorry if you think my figures are out of date. I'm happy to consider the current totals instead. According to Worldometer[0], for example, the UK is slightly worse in terms of "Deaths / 1M pop" than Greece and Spain, which is the median EU country for that statistic. So it's not at all clear that the UK would have been in a worse position if it had been able to take advantage of the EU's lower vaccine price, and in any case, being an EU member wouldn't have prevented the UK from securing its own vaccine supply, as Hungary did. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

rmbyrro 5y ago

Maybe Brittons got tired of so many ridiculous policies from the EU shoving down their throats?... Not saying I'm pro or against Brexit, just that your point seems to corroborate their decision to leave.

systemvoltage 5y ago
I initially opposed the move but now it sort of makes sense. Previously I was influencing my own thoughts from the liberal media sphere but the more you dig into the reasons why UK left the EU, the more convinced I am. Just look at the vaccine fuck ups by the EU. UK has one of the best vaccination strategies in the world barring smaller nations like Israel, UAE and Qatar. And of course, China.
- rmbyrro 5y ago
  Yes, it's sad to admit but, from many angles, leaving do seem to be a relatively better choice.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  > UK has one of the best vaccination strategies in the world Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020.[a] In practice, what did the EU really get wrong with the vaccines, other than generating some unjustifiably smug headlines from the UK right-wing press? The UK can't even say it got a good deal on the vaccines, having paid 50% more per dose than than EU.[b] [a] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799 [b] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281
  - systemvoltage 5y ago
    I don't know where to even begin. I'll just leave you with this about the EU's vaccination fuck up. They were hamstrung with negotation of prices where the rest of the world including US moved on. There were several discussions on HN about this: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-covid-19-vaccination-programme-went-wrong https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/03/31/why-the-eus-co... > Yet one of the worst outcomes fighting the virus. "UK had one of Europe’s highest excess death rates in under 65s" in 2020 Very disingenious to quote pre-vaccination death rates and studies from 2020. I am specifically talking about post-vaccination phase of UK. They have 70% vaccination rate, much higher than EU which is at abysmal 54% (Data from Nov 2021). https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-fully-vaccinated-who-official-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/24/only-54percent-of-europe-is-... Quoting misleading data and then immediately jumping on to bashing right-wing UK media isn't helping your arugments. Here is the WHO data on vaccination rates, UK sits at the very tippy top: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_vaccinations_per_hundred&hideControls=true&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ALB~AUT~BLR~BEL~BIH~BGR~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~MDA~MNE~NLD~MKD~PRT~ROU~RUS~SVK~ESP~UKR~GBR~VAT&Metric=Vaccine+doses https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
    - dane-pgp 5y ago
      Sorry if you think my figures are out of date. I'm happy to consider the current totals instead. According to Worldometer[0], for example, the UK is slightly worse in terms of "Deaths / 1M pop" than Greece and Spain, which is the median EU country for that statistic. So it's not at all clear that the UK would have been in a worse position if it had been able to take advantage of the EU's lower vaccine price, and in any case, being an EU member wouldn't have prevented the UK from securing its own vaccine supply, as Hungary did. [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries