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We should call this the "enable Putin" and "destroy the climate" plan. Honestly, I think we should declare a 50% tax on the gas going through the new Putin Nor

We should call this the "enable Putin" and "destroy the climate" plan. Honestly, I think we should declare a 50% tax on the gas going through the new Putin Nordstream 2 pipeline and direct the proceeds to NATO. Prices in externalities of gas usage and gets the EU closer to their NATO commitment.

Ekaros 5y ago
Why waste money on military? Couldn't it be used much better ways like to decarbon various areas in infrastructure?
- cheschire 5y ago
  A bully (Russia) comes up to a child (Ukraine) and kicks them in the shin really hard (Crimea). Then grabs them by the shirt and rears back like they're about to punch the kid. You're right, why waste money teaching the kid Aikido when we could instead spend that money on school tutors to try to get them into schools that don't have bullies.
  - wildmanxx 5y ago
    Right, playing world police should be right at the top of Europe's plan for saving the climate.
    - jabl 5y ago
      Why not both? Build renewables and nuclear instead of increasing dependency on gas from a geopolitical bully?
      - wildmanxx 5y ago
        Why not just mix human rights in China also into the discussion? Make everybody into vegans cause animal cruelty? Police brutality? School crisis? Obviously different problems are always best tackled in combination! Practically guarantees success. /s And obviously geopolitical bullies should just not be talked to. Hm so let's see who is left to talk to then. Russia, China, U.S., NATO, none of those won't an option anymore. Good to keep your principles. And good luck doing anything good to the climate with the strategy of only talking to yourself (assuming your country isn't a geopolitical bully itself, which is likely quite a stretch, given the odds.)
  - midasuni 5y ago
    What good would a military do? The US has a more powerful military than russia, China and Europe put together, yet lost in iraq and afghanistan. A better solution would be to stop giving russia money for its gas. That means not shutting down nuclear plants, and instead building many many more power plants to make Europe energy independent
wildmanxx 5y ago
And closer to war. Great solution! It's going to do so much good for the climate!
- OtomotO 5y ago
  It is, once all the apes on the space rock are gone... Sorry, I let the cynicist out.
Traster 5y ago
This makes no sense. The gas going through the pipeline is already expensive and it's already used to heat poor peoples homes. Meanwhile, Nato's military power is pretty much irrelevant if the countries of Nato can't piss of Russia because of fear that Putin will close down the pipeline in the middle of winter and watch pensioners freeze to death in their homes. The single most important move to save the EU from Putin and to decarbonise is to fund green energy like wind, solar and particularly invest in energy storage solutions to smooth out unreliable sources. It's very difficult to compete with Gas turbines in terms of supply and responsiveness.

Ekaros 5y ago

Why waste money on military? Couldn't it be used much better ways like to decarbon various areas in infrastructure?

cheschire 5y ago
A bully (Russia) comes up to a child (Ukraine) and kicks them in the shin really hard (Crimea). Then grabs them by the shirt and rears back like they're about to punch the kid. You're right, why waste money teaching the kid Aikido when we could instead spend that money on school tutors to try to get them into schools that don't have bullies.
- wildmanxx 5y ago
  Right, playing world police should be right at the top of Europe's plan for saving the climate.
  - jabl 5y ago
    Why not both? Build renewables and nuclear instead of increasing dependency on gas from a geopolitical bully?
    - wildmanxx 5y ago
      Why not just mix human rights in China also into the discussion? Make everybody into vegans cause animal cruelty? Police brutality? School crisis? Obviously different problems are always best tackled in combination! Practically guarantees success. /s And obviously geopolitical bullies should just not be talked to. Hm so let's see who is left to talk to then. Russia, China, U.S., NATO, none of those won't an option anymore. Good to keep your principles. And good luck doing anything good to the climate with the strategy of only talking to yourself (assuming your country isn't a geopolitical bully itself, which is likely quite a stretch, given the odds.)
- midasuni 5y ago
  What good would a military do? The US has a more powerful military than russia, China and Europe put together, yet lost in iraq and afghanistan. A better solution would be to stop giving russia money for its gas. That means not shutting down nuclear plants, and instead building many many more power plants to make Europe energy independent

wildmanxx 5y ago

And closer to war. Great solution! It's going to do so much good for the climate!

OtomotO 5y ago
It is, once all the apes on the space rock are gone... Sorry, I let the cynicist out.

Traster 5y ago

This makes no sense. The gas going through the pipeline is already expensive and it's already used to heat poor peoples homes. Meanwhile, Nato's military power is pretty much irrelevant if the countries of Nato can't piss of Russia because of fear that Putin will close down the pipeline in the middle of winter and watch pensioners freeze to death in their homes. The single most important move to save the EU from Putin and to decarbonise is to fund green energy like wind, solar and particularly invest in energy storage solutions to smooth out unreliable sources. It's very difficult to compete with Gas turbines in terms of supply and responsiveness.