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Gimme a mix of harmony and coffeescript on the server and I'm sold. Btw, no static typing please, the web is definitely dynamic, oh one last thing, remember the

Gimme a mix of harmony and coffeescript on the server and I'm sold. Btw, no static typing please, the web is definitely dynamic, oh one last thing, remember the hobbyists.

leon_ 15y ago
> Btw, no static typing please, the web is definitely dynamic Could you explain what you mean with that?
- ams6110 15y ago
  http is a text protocol. Best to deal with values as text, and dynamically as other types when needed.
  - colanderman 15y ago
    Most data sent over HTTP that's parsed by scripts is either XML or JSON, both of which are highly structured. XML in particular has a rich type system.
    - ams6110 15y ago
      You are leaving out simple urlencoded data sent with GET and POST. I'd say that is a huge chunk of what's parsed by scripts. Also XML and JSON are, at the bottom of it all, text, with (perhaps) type metadata.
      - colanderman 15y ago
        Everything "at the bottom of it all" is just "text", a sequence of octets. The point of a type system is to make sure you adhere to the structure inherent in that series of octets.
  - flatline 15y ago
    Since there is already a very nice, albeit quirky, dynamically typed langauge for the web, I think there is room for something different. If you want to build robust applications with larger teams - as is increasingly the case with JavaScript - it would be really nice to have features of a statically typed language. Same goes with the performance overhead for processor-intensive apps, which we are also seeing more of with JavaScript. We are learning enough about the potential for powerful browser-based apps that we could conceivably start to come up with something better. On the other hand, and to your point, nobody wants to reinvent SOAP.
    - technomancy 15y ago
      Surprised nobody's mentioned Ur yet: http://www.impredicative.com/ur/ http://www.impredicative.com/ur/
- SamReidHughes 15y ago
  Just slurp text values in from the wild and use them without any kind of validation.
  - thebooktocome 15y ago
    Yes, because that's worked so well in defending against every injection attack ever.

Gimme a mix of harmony and coffeescript on the server and I'm sold. Btw, no static typing please, the web is definitely dynamic, oh one last thing, remember the hobbyists.

leon_ 15y ago

> Btw, no static typing please, the web is definitely dynamic Could you explain what you mean with that?

ams6110 15y ago
http is a text protocol. Best to deal with values as text, and dynamically as other types when needed.
- colanderman 15y ago
  Most data sent over HTTP that's parsed by scripts is either XML or JSON, both of which are highly structured. XML in particular has a rich type system.
  - ams6110 15y ago
    You are leaving out simple urlencoded data sent with GET and POST. I'd say that is a huge chunk of what's parsed by scripts. Also XML and JSON are, at the bottom of it all, text, with (perhaps) type metadata.
    - colanderman 15y ago
      Everything "at the bottom of it all" is just "text", a sequence of octets. The point of a type system is to make sure you adhere to the structure inherent in that series of octets.
- flatline 15y ago
  Since there is already a very nice, albeit quirky, dynamically typed langauge for the web, I think there is room for something different. If you want to build robust applications with larger teams - as is increasingly the case with JavaScript - it would be really nice to have features of a statically typed language. Same goes with the performance overhead for processor-intensive apps, which we are also seeing more of with JavaScript. We are learning enough about the potential for powerful browser-based apps that we could conceivably start to come up with something better. On the other hand, and to your point, nobody wants to reinvent SOAP.
  - technomancy 15y ago
    Surprised nobody's mentioned Ur yet: http://www.impredicative.com/ur/ http://www.impredicative.com/ur/
SamReidHughes 15y ago
Just slurp text values in from the wild and use them without any kind of validation.
- thebooktocome 15y ago
  Yes, because that's worked so well in defending against every injection attack ever.