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Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3.

by danlugo92 5y ago

weego 5y ago
How do you trust the client software? Who writes it? How do they build the provenance that they can be trusted?
- danlugo92 5y ago
  You don't trust the TCP/IP implementation on your current system?
phoe-krk 5y ago
So, in other words, unless you and everyone else uses a specially prepared and non-FOSS web3 browser which employs NFT DRM, there's no enforcement.
AlexandrB 5y ago
So web3 is about applying DRM on every type of content on the internet, not just video? That's sounds awful.
- Joeboy 5y ago
  For what it's worth, I believe that was Ted Nelson's vision for Project Xanadu[1] 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    One of Xanadu's goals was (is?) to uniquely identify documents, which isn't inherently tied to either access control or rights management. The process and theory of identifying documents is one of the oldest subjects of interest in library science[1], and the Internet is chock full of unique identification schemes (URIs, nominally, but also OIDs, DOIs, ORCIDs, &c.). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority_control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority_control
    - Joeboy 5y ago
      I admit my eyes glazed over half way through, but this[1] seems to suggest their "transcopyright" system incorporates permissions and micropayment systems. [1] https://xanadu.com/tco/index.html https://xanadu.com/tco/index.html
      - woodruffw 5y ago
        Yeah, they've got a whole complicated permissions scheme that, to the best of my knowledge, does not and has never fully existed. The parts of Xanadu that do exist seem to be mostly "goodfaithware," if you'll excuse the term. It's not clear that they have any real protections (like DRM) against clients copying data and/or not obeying the unique addressing scheme.
kibwen 5y ago
> Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3. We've spent the last 20 years decrying how disastrous DRM has been, and now these supposed technologists are trying to sell us on a bold, glorious future where DRM comes knocking for our ability to right-click images.
- mburee 5y ago
  all while using retarded amounts of electricity
  - literallyWTF 5y ago
    Retarded? More like mentally handi-capable.
  - dllthomas 5y ago
    I think your complaint is, rather, that the electricity use is the opposite of retarded.
evilos 5y ago
I guess they will have to ban all cameras too then?
rsynnott 5y ago
Assuming ‘web3’ is ever a thing, surely people would just use less restrictive software? Unless you have a, whisper it, CENTRALISED SOURCE of ‘web3’ client software, of course…
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3. Even if that is true, what enforces provenance of art when NFTs are created? False claims of ownership of existing art in the creation of NFTs is a thing; enforcing NFTs doesn't solve the problem if nothing stops NFTs from being frauds ab initio.
beckman466 5y ago
> Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3. when you 'buy' an NFT what you are really buying into is someone else's/a third-party's centralized platform (like opensea or whatever it's called).

Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3.

weego 5y ago

How do you trust the client software? Who writes it? How do they build the provenance that they can be trusted?

danlugo92 5y ago
You don't trust the TCP/IP implementation on your current system?

phoe-krk 5y ago

So, in other words, unless you and everyone else uses a specially prepared and non-FOSS web3 browser which employs NFT DRM, there's no enforcement.

AlexandrB 5y ago

So web3 is about applying DRM on every type of content on the internet, not just video? That's sounds awful.

Joeboy 5y ago
For what it's worth, I believe that was Ted Nelson's vision for Project Xanadu[1] 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu
- woodruffw 5y ago
  One of Xanadu's goals was (is?) to uniquely identify documents, which isn't inherently tied to either access control or rights management. The process and theory of identifying documents is one of the oldest subjects of interest in library science[1], and the Internet is chock full of unique identification schemes (URIs, nominally, but also OIDs, DOIs, ORCIDs, &c.). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority_control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority_control
  - Joeboy 5y ago
    I admit my eyes glazed over half way through, but this[1] seems to suggest their "transcopyright" system incorporates permissions and micropayment systems. [1] https://xanadu.com/tco/index.html https://xanadu.com/tco/index.html
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      Yeah, they've got a whole complicated permissions scheme that, to the best of my knowledge, does not and has never fully existed. The parts of Xanadu that do exist seem to be mostly "goodfaithware," if you'll excuse the term. It's not clear that they have any real protections (like DRM) against clients copying data and/or not obeying the unique addressing scheme.

kibwen 5y ago

> Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3. We've spent the last 20 years decrying how disastrous DRM has been, and now these supposed technologists are trying to sell us on a bold, glorious future where DRM comes knocking for our ability to right-click images.

mburee 5y ago
all while using retarded amounts of electricity
- literallyWTF 5y ago
  Retarded? More like mentally handi-capable.
- dllthomas 5y ago
  I think your complaint is, rather, that the electricity use is the opposite of retarded.

evilos 5y ago

I guess they will have to ban all cameras too then?

rsynnott 5y ago

Assuming ‘web3’ is ever a thing, surely people would just use less restrictive software? Unless you have a, whisper it, CENTRALISED SOURCE of ‘web3’ client software, of course…

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3. Even if that is true, what enforces provenance of art when NFTs are created? False claims of ownership of existing art in the creation of NFTs is a thing; enforcing NFTs doesn't solve the problem if nothing stops NFTs from being frauds ab initio.

beckman466 5y ago

> Nfts will be enforced by client software in web3. when you 'buy' an NFT what you are really buying into is someone else's/a third-party's centralized platform (like opensea or whatever it's called).