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Wikipedia, OpenStreetMaps, DuckDuckGo would all be great examples of self-financing unstoppable web resources with no central authority distributed across a pee

Wikipedia, OpenStreetMaps, DuckDuckGo would all be great examples of self-financing unstoppable web resources with no central authority distributed across a peer-peer mesh network. Unclear if the value prop is large enough to overcome the activation energy of such an endeavor.

avrionov 5y ago
DuckDuckGo - is a private company. The other 2 are non profits.
betwixthewires 5y ago
When you use one too many buzzwords you let on that you don't know what they mean. None of those resources operate peer to peer, none of them operate in anything resembling a mesh network. DDG is absolutely stoppable and centralized. Not that I don't love all those projects and all of those qualities.
- yazaddaruvala 5y ago
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    The comment I replied to literally said that the referenced services have these cited attributes and features, and they don't.
SahAssar 5y ago
Wikipedia and OpenStreetMaps absolutely have central authorities and are not peer-to-peer or distributed on a mesh network. If they shut down you could probably access their data from an archive, but that does not mean that they are decentralized. DuckDuckGo is even more centralized since it uses the index of one of the largest search engines (bing), is not at all self-financing, is not at all unstoppable (if the central authority was shut down any replacement would need to access bing's result) and is not at all peer-to-peer. Either you don't actually know what those terms mean or you don't know how those websites function.
- yazaddaruvala 5y ago
  Ok, since there is clearly a trend my comment was too focused on responding to the grandparent and lacked enough context for all readers. Let some amend it to: > Wikipedia, OpenStreetMaps, [WebSearch] would all be great examples of [potentially operating as] self-financing unstoppable web resources with no central authority distributed across a peer-peer mesh network. > Unclear if the value prop is large enough to overcome the activation energy of such an endeavor [to convert these currently centralized services into an entity like what the grandparent describes].

avrionov 5y ago

DuckDuckGo - is a private company. The other 2 are non profits.

betwixthewires 5y ago

When you use one too many buzzwords you let on that you don't know what they mean. None of those resources operate peer to peer, none of them operate in anything resembling a mesh network. DDG is absolutely stoppable and centralized. Not that I don't love all those projects and all of those qualities.

yazaddaruvala 5y ago
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  The comment I replied to literally said that the referenced services have these cited attributes and features, and they don't.

SahAssar 5y ago

Wikipedia and OpenStreetMaps absolutely have central authorities and are not peer-to-peer or distributed on a mesh network. If they shut down you could probably access their data from an archive, but that does not mean that they are decentralized. DuckDuckGo is even more centralized since it uses the index of one of the largest search engines (bing), is not at all self-financing, is not at all unstoppable (if the central authority was shut down any replacement would need to access bing's result) and is not at all peer-to-peer. Either you don't actually know what those terms mean or you don't know how those websites function.

yazaddaruvala 5y ago
Ok, since there is clearly a trend my comment was too focused on responding to the grandparent and lacked enough context for all readers. Let some amend it to: > Wikipedia, OpenStreetMaps, [WebSearch] would all be great examples of [potentially operating as] self-financing unstoppable web resources with no central authority distributed across a peer-peer mesh network. > Unclear if the value prop is large enough to overcome the activation energy of such an endeavor [to convert these currently centralized services into an entity like what the grandparent describes].