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you do understand that libertarianism has no concept of corporations in the first place right? Corporations are government fictional entity created as a liabil
by syshum 5y ago
you do understand that libertarianism has no concept of corporations in the first place right? Corporations are government fictional entity created as a liability shield, so the fact you believe libertarians will create "biggest corporations takes all" shows your lack of understanding of libertarianism. The second the government creates a legal entity of corporations that government ceases to be libertarian.
>>Fascist dictatorship is the final state of numerous, maybe most starting points.
No, most nations will devolve to fascism as a direct result of trusted the concept of democracy too much, democracy naturally lend themselves to moving more and more power into the centralized control of the majority, at which point it is short step to fascism
This is something the left in the US gets wrong very often as attempts to nationalize more and more regulation and laws at the federal level, attempts to make more and more of our system "democratic".
Federalism with a strong constitution is the way to preserve liberty, and stave off fascism, 2 things the left in the US want to tear down
- rini17 5y agoSo the libertarians are distinct from ancaps? If it involves capitalism in some way that means there is some kind of concentration of capital and thus inevitably corporations.
- syshum 5y agolibertarianism is about social and economic freedom, it stands opposite of authoritarianism, under both there are "right" economic concepts, such as the homestead principle, libertarians that support homestead principle are ancaps. There are also "left" economic concepts such as Georgism, libertarians that support Georgism are Geo-Libertarians We are all libertarians in that we believe strong centralized governments are antithesis of liberty
- rini17 5y agoThe question was about corporations. Whether they depend on strong government. I think that is not true, they merely depend on societally enforced notion of property. Libertarians might find a way for property to work without government, but that does not automatically make corporations obsolete.
- syshum 5y agoBusinesses do not depend on strong government, corporations do. There is a good argument that Smashing the State, will Eat the Rich [1] [1]https://c4ss.org/content/30085 https://c4ss.org/content/30085
- rini17 5y agoThe truly free market might work as described, I am not contending that. But history repeatedly shown that free market is an unstable equilibrium prone to exploitation by organized groups.
- syshum 5y agoHistory has more accurately shown organized groups use government to destabilize the free market in a bid to control it. The solution to this, something the framers of the US attempted, is to deny government the authority to do this. Unfortunately we did not listen to their warnings and have since at least the end of the civil war, and more accelerated since the Great Depression have removed these limits from government, have rolled back the separation of powers. altered the very foundation of the US Government and allowed more and more power to become centralized, this as enabled the very wealth and income inequality that people now want the government that caused the issue in the first place to "fix", this of course will fail but supporters of government solutions to all problems will never admit that the government is the problem... As the axiom goes, Government: If you think you have problems now, wait until you see our solutions.
- rini17 5y agoAnd if you think there's nothing worse than government, wait until it fails. Seems you never saw anything outside US.
- ncmncm 5y agoIf your flavor of libertarian fantasy lacks something called a "corporation", that only means the thing that takes the role of a corporation has a different name in it. That means a gang, or a duke, or a warlord, or something. In other formalisms, it is "collective". The name is irrelevant. BIG > little is the key fact. Every libertarian fantasy has BIG voluntarily yielding power to little.