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Thought that could also be considered being part of the user experience But definitely I switched to Matrix though

lucb1e 5y ago
I'm using Matrix with two friends and it's just a world of pain. Can never find any messages because search is not implemented on web or android (only ios seems to have it or an electron desktop client... no thanks to both), random issues with encrypted chats (it all works great if you leave e2ee off! Though it got a lot better already since a big update ~1.5 years ago) such as unavailable message keys, random bugs, and too complicated for use with non-techies (so not an option for my mom). What helps is having alternative contact channels for when a message fails to decrypt or the custom homeserver is down again. There has been a lot of work on it but the smart thing to do would have been to copy Wire or Signal and build on an existing thing if you don't have the manpower to start from scratch and want to be a mainstream alternative. I'd rather recommend Threema (best UX, not so great in features or encryption tech), Signal (network effect, best privacy, reasonable UX), or Wire (like Signal but slightly better desktop experience).
- gefhfffh 5y ago
  I have been testing it for about 3 years now (FOSDEM 2019 made me interested again) I started pulling people to it only a few months ago when I thought it was good enough (includes almost no encryption issues happening in all day usage) My mom uses it as well. It works fine. I had to install the app though, like all the other apps. The reasons why I found Matrix interesting, were: - Telegram like syncing messages across all devices while adding a new device is as simple as setting up WhatsApp Web - It's a standard for interoperability - I got sick of telling others what to use and being told so by the network effect Copying Wire or Signal just wouldn't work for technical reasons. I also wouldn't want a copy. I got all of your recommendations over time (including buying Threema with all my friends), but they just haven't been good enough for us and me. In practice, no one cares about Electron. It seldomly VScode or Teams are used at work

I'm using Matrix with two friends and it's just a world of pain. Can never find any messages because search is not implemented on web or android (only ios seems to have it or an electron desktop client... no thanks to both), random issues with encrypted chats (it all works great if you leave e2ee off! Though it got a lot better already since a big update ~1.5 years ago) such as unavailable message keys, random bugs, and too complicated for use with non-techies (so not an option for my mom). What helps is having alternative contact channels for when a message fails to decrypt or the custom homeserver is down again. There has been a lot of work on it but the smart thing to do would have been to copy Wire or Signal and build on an existing thing if you don't have the manpower to start from scratch and want to be a mainstream alternative. I'd rather recommend Threema (best UX, not so great in features or encryption tech), Signal (network effect, best privacy, reasonable UX), or Wire (like Signal but slightly better desktop experience).

gefhfffh 5y ago
I have been testing it for about 3 years now (FOSDEM 2019 made me interested again) I started pulling people to it only a few months ago when I thought it was good enough (includes almost no encryption issues happening in all day usage) My mom uses it as well. It works fine. I had to install the app though, like all the other apps. The reasons why I found Matrix interesting, were: - Telegram like syncing messages across all devices while adding a new device is as simple as setting up WhatsApp Web - It's a standard for interoperability - I got sick of telling others what to use and being told so by the network effect Copying Wire or Signal just wouldn't work for technical reasons. I also wouldn't want a copy. I got all of your recommendations over time (including buying Threema with all my friends), but they just haven't been good enough for us and me. In practice, no one cares about Electron. It seldomly VScode or Teams are used at work