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I had something like this happen the either week - someone took a photo of a group of us against a wooden wall in low light with the front camera of the iPhone

I had something like this happen the either week - someone took a photo of a group of us against a wooden wall in low light with the front camera of the iPhone 13 Pro Max, and while the photo looked great zoomed out, if you looked closely it had applied the vertical line and texture of the wooden slats to my face, so I had a sort of wooden face! My assumption is that this is over enthusiastic ML processing trying to enhance photos in challenging conditions… makes me think of e.g. https://petapixel.com/2020/08/17/gigapixel-ai-accidentally-added-ryan-goslings-face-to-this-photo/ https://petapixel.com/2020/08/17/gigapixel-ai-accidentally-a... Similarly, I’ve noticed that the iPhone 13 Pro tends to use the wide angle lens for 3x zoom photos in low light then upscale it. This makes some sense as it can capture more light and the photos look good zoomed out, but if you zoom in, you’ll see things like text and small faces have been replaced with random blurry “ML-looking” smudges. If you want to avoid this, right now I think the only way to do so is to use a third party camera app. I use Halide and it’s excellent, it will only use the lens you have selected even if it is in challenging lighting conditions, and it applies much less processing (and you can further disable more processing if you like, I’ve not had the need). The default camera is generally great for snapshots that you aren’t going to zoom into etc. though. Would be nice if they could tweak it to be a bit less aggressive in its processing, perhaps adding a “pro” mode or similar.

albert_e 5y ago
I worry that smartphone photos will become inadmissible in court as evidence ... and will also give all shady characters like politicians a cover to change narratives
- retube 5y ago
  I think we're already past that point....
- rowanG077 5y ago
  I hope that smartphones photos become inadmissable. Because photos taken don't reflect what really happened. I also hope smartphones start storing unprocessed version of every photo that will be admissable in court.
- syshum 5y ago
  Good defense attorneys already will I am more shocked that you are not concerned that image manipulation technology could (and likely already has) been used to send an innocent person who can not afford the use of an expert to challenge the image to jail Evidence presented in court should reflect exactly what happen, a true and accurate representation. Not what some ML algorithm believes happened. This is especially true in a criminal cast where a persons freedom is at stake, and often the captured criminality is not the focus of the image but rather something in the background making the ML processing even less reliable, and would allow for more interpretation by the viewer. I am a firm believer that is better for 100 guilty to go free than it is for 1 innocents to falsely convicted, sad that many do not share that world view any more
  - albert_e 5y ago
    What we are saying is not the opposite. We are both worried about justice being denied -- because what used to be a reliable means of capturing evidence (photographs) is drifting towards becoming unreliable due to the push towards commercial / fancy applications to the detriment of authenticity. The sheer scale and reach of smartphone cameras is helping the common man across the world capture day to day injustice and garner support to push back about abuse of power and authority, discrimination, harrassment etc. I wish smartphone cameras stay reliable and continue to provide the best possible reflection fo reality -- and push boundaries on technological improvements that can be made to IMPROVE their accuracy and defensibility even in court settings or on crowdsourced social-media settings -- so that they can become a reliable aid in enabling justice and stand the test of time.
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  I hope for the advancement of deepfake technology for exactly the opposite reason. All that surveillance footage and vox populi photos? Now they're all suspect as tampered, even when they're genuine.

albert_e 5y ago

I worry that smartphone photos will become inadmissible in court as evidence ... and will also give all shady characters like politicians a cover to change narratives

retube 5y ago
I think we're already past that point....
rowanG077 5y ago
I hope that smartphones photos become inadmissable. Because photos taken don't reflect what really happened. I also hope smartphones start storing unprocessed version of every photo that will be admissable in court.
syshum 5y ago
Good defense attorneys already will I am more shocked that you are not concerned that image manipulation technology could (and likely already has) been used to send an innocent person who can not afford the use of an expert to challenge the image to jail Evidence presented in court should reflect exactly what happen, a true and accurate representation. Not what some ML algorithm believes happened. This is especially true in a criminal cast where a persons freedom is at stake, and often the captured criminality is not the focus of the image but rather something in the background making the ML processing even less reliable, and would allow for more interpretation by the viewer. I am a firm believer that is better for 100 guilty to go free than it is for 1 innocents to falsely convicted, sad that many do not share that world view any more
- albert_e 5y ago
  What we are saying is not the opposite. We are both worried about justice being denied -- because what used to be a reliable means of capturing evidence (photographs) is drifting towards becoming unreliable due to the push towards commercial / fancy applications to the detriment of authenticity. The sheer scale and reach of smartphone cameras is helping the common man across the world capture day to day injustice and garner support to push back about abuse of power and authority, discrimination, harrassment etc. I wish smartphone cameras stay reliable and continue to provide the best possible reflection fo reality -- and push boundaries on technological improvements that can be made to IMPROVE their accuracy and defensibility even in court settings or on crowdsourced social-media settings -- so that they can become a reliable aid in enabling justice and stand the test of time.
BeFlatXIII 5y ago
I hope for the advancement of deepfake technology for exactly the opposite reason. All that surveillance footage and vox populi photos? Now they're all suspect as tampered, even when they're genuine.