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> Please do share your experience then. Because it's been working amazingly out of the box since years. Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of

by movedx 5y ago

> Please do share your experience then. Because it's been working amazingly out of the box since years. Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. > to get it to a level comparable to a similar Linux/GNOME installation They're not comparable systems, so I can't give you a comparison. That's sort of the point.

kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
> Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. For f*ck's sake, getting hardware to work on Linux has been easier on Linux than other OSes. Most things are literal plug-and-play, no trash Windows GUIs required. NVIDIA drivers have been exceedingly easy to install on Arch, Ubuntu, and (especially) Pop, and mainstream distros. A few years ago it was a pain, but I haven't had problems in ages. I don't know what you're thinking, but as a daily Linux user today, I have never had "driver issues" with modern hardware. And funnily enough, my niche hardware also tends to work on Linux. My Bluetooth adapter is a random dongle ripped from a VoIP station. I have on Windows, though. Perhaps that's due to the wonderful ArchWiki, no idea. Also try doing NVIDIA-based ML on Windows. Very hard to set up a dev env. Hard on Linux too, but at least it's supported (last I checked).
- mnahkies 5y ago
  Just to add to that list, Fedora is easy to get Nvidia / Optimus cards going these days too - wasn't the case a few years ago but now I can do a clean install and everything just works.
- telxosser 5y ago
  Spot on. I don't know what year people are talking about. I have used KDE the last 5 years and literally everything I have ever wanted to do has just worked. No one can possibly have less patience for bullshit and things not working than me. At this point it is exactly why I can only use linux. I have barely thought about the OS the last 5 years.
aulin 5y ago
You cited Torvalds. So you were talking about the desktop experience. Now you're talking about hardware compatibility and that's not a fair comparison, on the other hand you have a vendor that makes its own hardware, and the reference OS for every OEM. Linux hardware support has been stellar considering its intrinsic disadvantage. Linux Desktop, as in the Linux Desktop experience, as in GNOME and its ecosystem, is on par if not superior with boh MacOS and Windows.

by movedx 5y ago

kaladin-jasnah 5y ago

> Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. For f*ck's sake, getting hardware to work on Linux has been easier on Linux than other OSes. Most things are literal plug-and-play, no trash Windows GUIs required. NVIDIA drivers have been exceedingly easy to install on Arch, Ubuntu, and (especially) Pop, and mainstream distros. A few years ago it was a pain, but I haven't had problems in ages. I don't know what you're thinking, but as a daily Linux user today, I have never had "driver issues" with modern hardware. And funnily enough, my niche hardware also tends to work on Linux. My Bluetooth adapter is a random dongle ripped from a VoIP station. I have on Windows, though. Perhaps that's due to the wonderful ArchWiki, no idea. Also try doing NVIDIA-based ML on Windows. Very hard to set up a dev env. Hard on Linux too, but at least it's supported (last I checked).

mnahkies 5y ago
Just to add to that list, Fedora is easy to get Nvidia / Optimus cards going these days too - wasn't the case a few years ago but now I can do a clean install and everything just works.
telxosser 5y ago
Spot on. I don't know what year people are talking about. I have used KDE the last 5 years and literally everything I have ever wanted to do has just worked. No one can possibly have less patience for bullshit and things not working than me. At this point it is exactly why I can only use linux. I have barely thought about the OS the last 5 years.

aulin 5y ago

You cited Torvalds. So you were talking about the desktop experience. Now you're talking about hardware compatibility and that's not a fair comparison, on the other hand you have a vendor that makes its own hardware, and the reference OS for every OEM. Linux hardware support has been stellar considering its intrinsic disadvantage. Linux Desktop, as in the Linux Desktop experience, as in GNOME and its ecosystem, is on par if not superior with boh MacOS and Windows.