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Every single HN thread vaguely related to Linux desktops there's these guys who never tried it for more than a couple of minutes but still feel the need to come

by aulin 5y ago

Every single HN thread vaguely related to Linux desktops there's these guys who never tried it for more than a couple of minutes but still feel the need to come here to spread their bullshit. GNOME these days is on par with MacOS if not better on every aspect.

movedx 5y ago
Been using it for close to 15 years. Too much work for very little gain.
- aulin 5y ago
  Please do share your experience then. Because it's been working amazingly out of the box since years. I love macs but I have to spend way more time installing tools and configurations to get it to a level comparable to a similar Linux/GNOME installation
  - movedx 5y ago
    > Please do share your experience then. Because it's been working amazingly out of the box since years. Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. > to get it to a level comparable to a similar Linux/GNOME installation They're not comparable systems, so I can't give you a comparison. That's sort of the point.
    - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
      > Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. For f*ck's sake, getting hardware to work on Linux has been easier on Linux than other OSes. Most things are literal plug-and-play, no trash Windows GUIs required. NVIDIA drivers have been exceedingly easy to install on Arch, Ubuntu, and (especially) Pop, and mainstream distros. A few years ago it was a pain, but I haven't had problems in ages. I don't know what you're thinking, but as a daily Linux user today, I have never had "driver issues" with modern hardware. And funnily enough, my niche hardware also tends to work on Linux. My Bluetooth adapter is a random dongle ripped from a VoIP station. I have on Windows, though. Perhaps that's due to the wonderful ArchWiki, no idea. Also try doing NVIDIA-based ML on Windows. Very hard to set up a dev env. Hard on Linux too, but at least it's supported (last I checked).
      - mnahkies 5y ago
        Just to add to that list, Fedora is easy to get Nvidia / Optimus cards going these days too - wasn't the case a few years ago but now I can do a clean install and everything just works.
      - telxosser 5y ago
        Spot on. I don't know what year people are talking about. I have used KDE the last 5 years and literally everything I have ever wanted to do has just worked. No one can possibly have less patience for bullshit and things not working than me. At this point it is exactly why I can only use linux. I have barely thought about the OS the last 5 years.
    - aulin 5y ago
      You cited Torvalds. So you were talking about the desktop experience. Now you're talking about hardware compatibility and that's not a fair comparison, on the other hand you have a vendor that makes its own hardware, and the reference OS for every OEM. Linux hardware support has been stellar considering its intrinsic disadvantage. Linux Desktop, as in the Linux Desktop experience, as in GNOME and its ecosystem, is on par if not superior with boh MacOS and Windows.
  - dopeboy 5y ago
    15 year user of Ubuntu. Here's an easy one: a laptop with an iGPU and dGPU playing nice with a dock. Same deal with an eGPU. I use Linux and in all likelihood, will continue to for a couple years. But there are these rough corners that simply just work in mac (and windows). With the M1 outpacing intel, it's becoming more tempting to jump ship.
    - aulin 5y ago
      Sure but that's hardware enablement, we're talking about the desktop experience. Or at least so I thought.
      - dopeboy 5y ago
        The hardware enablement impacts the desktop experience.
- bitcharmer 5y ago
  > Been using it for close to 15 years. I think it really shows you actually haven't.
- schleck8 5y ago
  > Linux is an absolute joke on the desktop Linux Mint is seriously easy to set up with its driver manager. I don't see how any issues would arise and thus far I haven't had any issues with setting up any Linux distro except for arch's ethernet at one point. That's around 15 Linux distros which worked just fine
philliphaydon 5y ago
Unsure if this comment is satire or serious…
suction 5y ago
Well, "every" can't be true because fonts look way better on MacOS.
- aulin 5y ago
  Used to maybe. Last I checked Linux still has font antialiasing with subpixel hinting while MacOS removed it completely and fonts look terrible on anything sub-retina.
  - suction 5y ago
    Don’t care, got Retina, they still look better, regardless of nerd words.
zonywhoop 5y ago
As someone who uses MacOS, Linux, and Windows daily for development, family, general business use, and infra administration - and have for nearly 30 years - this is just not the case. Plasma is much farther along than GNOME but neither are as fluid and put together as MacOS. Now against windows, it’s very close.

by aulin 5y ago

movedx 5y ago

Been using it for close to 15 years. Too much work for very little gain.

aulin 5y ago
Please do share your experience then. Because it's been working amazingly out of the box since years. I love macs but I have to spend way more time installing tools and configurations to get it to a level comparable to a similar Linux/GNOME installation
- movedx 5y ago
  > Please do share your experience then. Because it's been working amazingly out of the box since years. Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. > to get it to a level comparable to a similar Linux/GNOME installation They're not comparable systems, so I can't give you a comparison. That's sort of the point.
  - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
    > Until you need to install a driver, support a piece of modern hardware, use an nVidia GPU for anything serious, and more. For f*ck's sake, getting hardware to work on Linux has been easier on Linux than other OSes. Most things are literal plug-and-play, no trash Windows GUIs required. NVIDIA drivers have been exceedingly easy to install on Arch, Ubuntu, and (especially) Pop, and mainstream distros. A few years ago it was a pain, but I haven't had problems in ages. I don't know what you're thinking, but as a daily Linux user today, I have never had "driver issues" with modern hardware. And funnily enough, my niche hardware also tends to work on Linux. My Bluetooth adapter is a random dongle ripped from a VoIP station. I have on Windows, though. Perhaps that's due to the wonderful ArchWiki, no idea. Also try doing NVIDIA-based ML on Windows. Very hard to set up a dev env. Hard on Linux too, but at least it's supported (last I checked).
    - mnahkies 5y ago
      Just to add to that list, Fedora is easy to get Nvidia / Optimus cards going these days too - wasn't the case a few years ago but now I can do a clean install and everything just works.
    - telxosser 5y ago
      Spot on. I don't know what year people are talking about. I have used KDE the last 5 years and literally everything I have ever wanted to do has just worked. No one can possibly have less patience for bullshit and things not working than me. At this point it is exactly why I can only use linux. I have barely thought about the OS the last 5 years.
  - aulin 5y ago
    You cited Torvalds. So you were talking about the desktop experience. Now you're talking about hardware compatibility and that's not a fair comparison, on the other hand you have a vendor that makes its own hardware, and the reference OS for every OEM. Linux hardware support has been stellar considering its intrinsic disadvantage. Linux Desktop, as in the Linux Desktop experience, as in GNOME and its ecosystem, is on par if not superior with boh MacOS and Windows.
- dopeboy 5y ago
  15 year user of Ubuntu. Here's an easy one: a laptop with an iGPU and dGPU playing nice with a dock. Same deal with an eGPU. I use Linux and in all likelihood, will continue to for a couple years. But there are these rough corners that simply just work in mac (and windows). With the M1 outpacing intel, it's becoming more tempting to jump ship.
  - aulin 5y ago
    Sure but that's hardware enablement, we're talking about the desktop experience. Or at least so I thought.
    - dopeboy 5y ago
      The hardware enablement impacts the desktop experience.
bitcharmer 5y ago
> Been using it for close to 15 years. I think it really shows you actually haven't.
schleck8 5y ago
> Linux is an absolute joke on the desktop Linux Mint is seriously easy to set up with its driver manager. I don't see how any issues would arise and thus far I haven't had any issues with setting up any Linux distro except for arch's ethernet at one point. That's around 15 Linux distros which worked just fine

philliphaydon 5y ago

Unsure if this comment is satire or serious…

suction 5y ago

Well, "every" can't be true because fonts look way better on MacOS.

aulin 5y ago
Used to maybe. Last I checked Linux still has font antialiasing with subpixel hinting while MacOS removed it completely and fonts look terrible on anything sub-retina.
- suction 5y ago
  Don’t care, got Retina, they still look better, regardless of nerd words.

zonywhoop 5y ago

As someone who uses MacOS, Linux, and Windows daily for development, family, general business use, and infra administration - and have for nearly 30 years - this is just not the case. Plasma is much farther along than GNOME but neither are as fluid and put together as MacOS. Now against windows, it’s very close.